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On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Zeev Drach
<<mailto:lobb...@rogers.com>lobb...@rogers.com> wrote:
Evan,
Even though at the very end of your post you go
along with my contention, there are a couple of
points in what you said that I am uneasy with:
First of, my suggestion was NOT to pick your
favorite, because of skewed perception.
Secondly, I thought that doin' it in your mind
will avoid making the whole thing an "exact
science", because my number 3 is just something
I picked out off the cuff. I won't swear to it.
Lastly, and that is the most important, who
gives those IMDB ratings, and what the heck are
they worth? I don't exactly know, but I suspect
not a heck of a lot. Case in point, of all
Brando's great contribution to the world of
motion pictures, 6 received an above 8.00
rating. But wait a minute, in the #3 spot is
The Godfather-the VIDEO GAME!!, in the #5 spot
is that "great" 2001 TV documentary starring
Michael Jackson, and the first runner up in the
#7 spot is "Roots: The Next Generation".
See what I'm getting at?
Clearly, those ratings are compiled by a
computer based on popular voting which happen to
be mostly the very young audience.
Not wrong, but very skewed.
Zeev
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Don't trust you mind -- this is the age of the internet.
Pick a star, find them in IMDB, and look at
their film credits sorted by rating. If you
assume (like I do) that anything rated 8 or
above is a truly great film, I think you will be surprised at what you find.
My favorite star has always been James Stewart and to his credit:
(8.70) - It's a Wonderful Life (1946)
(8.70) - Rear Window (1954)
(8.60) - Vertigo (1958)
(8.40) - Mr. Smith Goes to Washington (1939)
(8.10) - The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (1962)
(8.10) - Rope (1948)
(8.10) - The Philadelphia Story (1940)
(8.10) - Anatomy of a Murder (1959)
(8.10) - Harvey (1950)
(8.09) - The Shop Around the Corner (1940)
Not to mention nearly another 30 (WOW!) respectable films rated 7 or higher.
However, I think that he is the exception -- and
I suspect that your number (3) is dead on!
Evan
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I have long held to the idea that if a big-name
actor has 3 truly great films to his/her credit,
then he/she is doing very well. I know, it
doesnt sound like much but if you play this
game, pick at random a big star(not your
favorite though, because then youre not
objective) and go over in your mind through his
achievements, youd soon realize that its not
easy to come up with 5 truly great movies spread
out over an entire career. That would be the
domain of the true superstars! And there arent many of those.
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Clark Gable is known for 2-3 films today (for the most part)
GWTW
It Happened One Night
the Misfits (because of Marilyn)
otherwise, he is entirely forgotten and that is a shame as he was a fine actor
At 01:46 PM 1/5/2011, Dave Rosen wrote:

For some of these stars (James Dean in
particular) some of the lobbies and 8x10s (at
least color 8x10s, where they exist) are much
better than any of the posters of any format for their movies.
Ultimately, as time passes, collectors age,
trends and fashions change, many former "icons"
will only be known for one or two of their
films, while others will cease to be "icons"
altogether, joining the vanished stars of the
silent era. And the process is probably helped
along by the lack of attractive movie paper on them.
It's sad to watch this happen, especially with a
star the calibre of Brando, who was (and to a
large extent remains) a very influential movie
actor. But that's just the way it is...
Dave
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i agree with Zeev and it's interesting that
Brando, Clift and Dean were each served by
terrible US campaigns for all their major films:
A Place In The Sun, From Here To Eternity,
Suddenly Last Summer, On The Waterfront,
Streetcar Named Desire, The Wild One, I
Confess, Rebel, Giant, East Of Eden....
all pretty awful campaigns and so none of these
actors has a single US poster that truly shows
them at their peak. clift looks only so-so on
the uninspired A Place In The Sun 1sh. a better
image is The Heiress 3sh (on the 1sh he's
largely hidden as per I Confess and much of his other paper).
was clift too pretty for public
consumption? the best clift portrait must
actually be the one on his section of The Young
Lions 1sh (although ruining things on this
poster is brando who looks more like derren nesbitt).
james dean posters, including rebel, I find very
meh. who designed the East Of Eden campaign? a
monkey who's acquired production stills,
scissors, cataracts and a vendetta by the looks of things.
it's a wonder these guys became icons at
all. this wouldn't have been allowed to happen in the 1930/40s....
n
--- On Wed, 5/1/11, Zeev Drach
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From: Zeev Drach <<mailto:lobb...@rogers.com>lobb...@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Wild One R60 40x60 - Anyone ever see one?
To: <mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Date: Wednesday, 5 January, 2011, 19:58
Dave,
You are so right about the âsoftnessâ of
most of Brandoâs paper, sadly however, this is
true for most of the big names of the 40âs and
50âs. Who the heck collects Gregory Peck as
an actor(as opposed to a couple of titles in
which heâs in) these day? Or Spencer Tracy,
or Anthony Quinn, Paul Newman, Kirk Douglas, or
even Clark Gable? And the list goes on and
on. Theyâre all giants, weâd all agree, but
the number collectors who care about them is dwindling fast.
Marlon Brando, I think, couldâve been(and one
day might still be) an exception, because he was
an icon while still alive. The added problem
with Brando paper, and now Iâm getting back to
the original topic, is that the design of the
posters, even and especially for his key titles,
is so poor and uninspiring. You can go over
them one by one, Streetcar Named Desire, The
Wild One, On the Waterfront, and others, and you
wonât find even ONE(!) decent design.
Sorry for going on like this, but thatâs
obviously a touchy subject with me.. ;-)
Zeev
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I agree. Rarity aside, it's all about taste,
personal interest and, ultimately, how many
collectors want it and how far they are willing to go to get it.
Yes, this poster is goofy-looking. Yes, the
market for Brando material outside of Waterfront
and Streetcar is a little soft. However, that
aside, I have a number of motorcycle enthusiasts
among my clients, as I'm sure do many other
dealers. They like their bikes and they like
anything to do with bikes, including anything to
do with biker movies. This was the first biker
movie but it was released with very little paper
that actually shows motorcycles! That reason
alone would probably be enough to drive a number
of collectors to want this poster...badly. They
don't have to be fans of Brando or even good poster art.
As to whether it would reach the appraisal
estimate, only an auction could determine that.
Dave
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Think that goofiness will be a plus for some, got a lot of kitsch appeal.
Though the irony may wear thin.
On 5 Jan 2011, at 17:40, Kirby McDaniel wrote:
Hi, Zeev et al
I'm not a collector at all; I'm a seller. I
collect other things like recordings and cookbooks.
Who knew?
The recovery of any unknown poster is
interesting, particularly for a title like THE WILD ONE.
Your DRAGSTRIP RIOT comment is very perceptive
-- obviously this poster was copied from that
very wonderful image. In RIOT, however, the
overall design of the poster, its context and
and the kinetics of the moment depicted make the
wrench-brandishing exciting and menacing, whereas in the
Brando poster it's merely goofy.
Please know that I'm not disparaging Rudy's
evaluation of the poster. He could be quite correct.
With something that has not been seen,
especially for an iconic figure like Brando, one could
expect some kind of brisk performance at auction.
One might sell for $3500.
But how would five or six sell?
Would the price hold up as has been demonstrable for, say, DRAGSTRIP RIOT?
Kirby
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On Jan 5, 2011, at 10:23 AM, Zeev Drach wrote:
Kirby, Iâm guessing youâre not a Brando
collector, otherwise I canât see how you could dismiss this find so easily.
You are right, the realistic accuracy of the
design would not matter to Brando fans and
collectors (and I am one of them) in this case.
I mean, the discovery of a Brando poster, for
one of his key roles, that features art that
(almost?) no one has ever seen before is a major
find, in my opinion. I think all collectors
with even a passing interest in Brando would be floored by this poster.
As to the question âwho rides a motorcycle
like that?â I refer you to Dragstrip
Riot(1958)
<http://www.moviegoods.com/movie_poster/dragstrip_riot_1958.htm>http://www.moviegoods.com/movie_poster/dragstrip_riot_1958.htm
from where the image was most certainly lifted.
Iâm not familiar with the design of the Hot
Blood insert. Is it different from the standard Wild One insert?
Zeev
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Thanks for posting this. I did not see my
esteemed colleague Mr. Franchi on ANTIQUES
ROADSHOW with this undeniably rare reissue
40x60, so I am interested to read this post.
Rare it may be, and perhaps some Brando
completist would pay the estimate, but if the
design of this poster were to count at all, the
film would be entitled THE WEIRD ONE.
Who rides a motorcycle like that? Waving a
wrench about! Ludicrous! And where is the
locale? Is this in the film? They look like
they're riding thru the set of CHEAPER BY THE DOZEN.
Ugly! Give me one of the nice lobbies and I'll
call that the prettiest poster on the film. Or the HOT BLOOD insert.
My two centavos.
Kirby McDaniel
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On Jan 4, 2011, at 9:15 PM, Dave Rosen wrote:
Just watched this online. It's Rudy's appraisal
of a Wild One 40x60 from last night's Antiques
Roadshow. Never saw one of these before. Might
be the best US paper for the movie.
<http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/roadshow/archive/201003A12.html>http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/roadshow/archive/201003A12.html
Dave
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