>Weell Ive done projects for the academy, the mtv movie awards and teh AFI ... with my Clapboards... when Peter Bogdonovitch was lecturing in Toledo I took a AFI clapboard 100 years /100 movies to give him as a Gift... well he refused my gift as he said he disaggreed with the AFIs choice of films... 1st time I was refused byanyone to get a free clapboard... so apparently the awards always miff someone as to who they choose.... I have no idea what the politics are,,, or what criteria they use,, perhaps the academy is composed of a biased group??? maybe they are not looking at all the aspects? Maybe with Spielberg it is part jealousy as he has done so well with boxoffice hits?
who knows...? just like Jerry Lewis... also Debby reynolds said Hollywood would not support her museum... so its always been a odd business ... but remember Its a wonderful life didnt do well either and yet since 46 its become a tradition as a movie with Miracleon 34th street and others... > > >---- Original Message ---- >From: ki...@movieart.net >To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU >Subject: Re: [MOPO] OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In >Hollywood. >Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 11:13:42 -0600 > >>It is said every year how IRRELEVANT the Oscars are and then every >year millions of people watch the telecast and end up discussing them >for weeks afterward. That doesn't feel like irrelevant to me. >> >>For their flaws, they are still THE award to covet, with all due >respect given to the Golden Globes, >>in film. >> >>Kirby >> >>Sent from my iPad >> >>On Mar 2, 2013, at 5:43 AM, Simon Oram <fab5fre...@btinternet.com> >wrote: >> >>> As for the Oscars. Either I am just getting too old too care very >much, but it seems increasinglty irrelevant as each Oscar year goes >by. >>> >>> Yes far too many deserving films missing from being nominated >especially in the Best Documentary section, makes the Oscars >irrelevant. I agree with Meryl Streep and what she said one time, >although I dont know if she she still agrees with herself, it was >quite some time ago and she is the most nominated actress of all time >but she said something like: the Oscars feels like a competition >rather than an acknowledgement it has more in common with a sport at >the Olympics where you must beat your neighbour to the prize. >>> >>> As for Argo, I have not seen it yet but I have been increasing >interested in what Affleck has to offer since he was in the excellent >Hollywoodland and then directed Gone Baby Gone. >>> >>> Simon >>> >>> >>> >>> From: p...@cinemarts.com >>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 6:17 AM >>> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU >>> Subject: Re: [MOPO] OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In >Hollywood. >>> >>> I thought ARGO was a very well directed, very well acted film... >very entertaining. Mila and I liked it a lot. >>> After the fact, when I learned just how much of the "suspense" and >"reality" was manufactured, it dropped considerably in my estimation. >>> Not sure why, just a sense of feeling cheated. >>> I thought it a shame that both the British and the New Zealanders >are denigrated The group actually stayed at the British Embassy >before it was decided to >>> move them to the Canadian consukate as it was geographically >safer. >>> And that's not all. Wiki it for some even more revealing info. >>> I haven't seen LINCOLN yet but looking forward to it. No tall >poppy syndrome here with Spielberg's ability to make big films >extremely well. >>> >>> Back to ARGO... I kept thinking SHAPESPEARE IN LOVE..... >>> >>> As for the Oscars. Either I am just getting too old too care very >much, but it seems increasinglty irrelevant as each Oscar year goes >by. >>> >>> Phil >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: peter contarino [mailto:pcontar...@triad.rr.com] >>> Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 10:26 PM >>> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU >>> Subject: Re: [MOPO] OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In >Hollywood. >>> >>> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com >>> >___________________________________________________________________ >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List >>> Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu >>> In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L >>> The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. >>> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com >>> >___________________________________________________________________ >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List >>> Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu >>> In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L >>> The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. >>> Just watched Argo. Eh? >>> >>> From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of >Kirby McDaniel >>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 9:57 PM >>> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU >>> Subject: Re: [MOPO] OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In >Hollywood. >>> >>> I responded to David K., but I'll go ahead a post to the entire >list. I agree with David and Franc on this one entirely. I'm not >what anyone would characterize as a huge >>> >>> Spielberg fan, although I recognize his enormous accomplishments >in purveying popular films. In my book he has had several >particularly satisfying films - SCHINDLER'S LIST, E.T., and a few >others. But LINCOLN is an extraordinary film driven by an >extraordinary script adapted from an extraordinary book with >extraordinary performances. Is that enough "extraordinaries" fer ya? > I enjoyed ARGO; it was entertaining. But clearly Spielberg and >company were robbed. I think the sorry decision to have 9 best >picture nominations is going to produce what I'll bet are >(regrettably) "plurality" decisions like this one. >>> >>> >>> I thank Steven Spielberg for bringing together this great pool of >talent and leaving us with a picture that generations will enjoy >again and again. >>> >>> >>> Kirby McDaniel >>> >>> www.movieart.net >>> >>> >>> On Mar 1, 2013, at 7:09 PM, Franc wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Very interesting reading, David. Thanks for sharing themt. >Somehow after Ben Affleck got the DGA award, I knew Steven Spielberg >and Lincoln were going to be shunned by the Oscars. It's a shame >because in my opinion while Argot was cleary a good film, Lincoln was >a monumental film that is destined to become a classic. >>> >>> >>> >>> FRANC >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of >David Kusumoto >>> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 6:55 PM >>> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU >>> Subject: [MOPO] OT - Why Steven Spielberg Is A Loser In Hollywood. >>> >>> A pair of interesting stories evaluating why Steven Spielberg - >who, along with pre-1996 Martin Scorcese are my favorite >"still-living" directors of all time - is a big loser when it comes >to winning awards. "Argo" was fine, but I thought >"Lincoln" and the "Silver Linings Playbook" were better. Meanwhile, >this year's Oscars telecast with Seth MacFarlane made me vomit in my >mouth a little. The first article is from Buzz Feed, the second is >from the NY Times. - d. >>> >>> >>> >>> ?Argo? Win Makes Steven Spielberg Hollywood's Biggest Loser >>> >>> Once again, the Best Picture prize slips from his hands. What does >Hollywood have against its most successful resident? >>> >>> by Richard Rushfield - BuzzFeed Staff Writer, February 24, 2013 >>> >>> >>> >>> Image by Mario Anzuoni / Reuters >>> >>> Tonight, Hollywood officially turned its back on its king. Again. >The triumph of Argo in the Best Picture race, snatching victory from >the jaws of Lincoln brings Steven Spielberg's win-loss record to a >dismal one victory in seven at bats for entertainment's biggest >prize. >>> >>> And tonight, not only did he lose out on the Best Picture prize >that once seemed his, but the consolation prize of Best Director, the >category in which Argo's Affleck was not even nominated, was also >snatched away and handed to Life of Pi's Ang Lee. >>> >>> For a man who is widely considered Hollywood's godfather ? who is >in his unbelievable fifth decade at the top of the heap, who has >reigned untouchable since before many of today's young directors were >born ? facing up to yet another defeat at the hands of his people >starts to look like a clear and consistent rebuff. >>> >>> Worse still, Spielberg's films are not just distant also rans. >Most of his seven nominated films were at some point in their >campaigns considered favorites to win the whole thing, making >Spielberg the Academy's Charlie Brown, forever having the football >pulled away. >>> >>> This year in particular. for a brief moment between the Oscar >nominations being announced and the Golden Globes, Spielberg's >Lincoln looked like a shoo-in to win the prize. Only to see Argo >stage a last minute surge and steal its thunder again. >>> >>> So to what do we attribute this ongoing snub? Chalk it up to >Hollywood's love/hate relationship with its greats. The number one >thing Hollywood hates is failure. The sad fates of those who have >fallen beneath the C list demonstrate every day how little empathy >the town has for those who can't soar with the eagles. >>> >>> But the number two thing Hollywood hates is success. Praying for >the downfall of its mighty is practically the industry's official >religion. >>> >>> Spielberg these days is such a venerable figure that one can >easily forget his historically troubled history with the Academy. >After receiving one for a Best Picture nominations for his first >outing ? Jaws, but then being denied for nearly a decade that >followed, Oscar finally broken down and ponied up nods for E.T. ? >when it became the day's highest grossing of all time ? and Color >Purple. >>> >>> But both those films still lost out on the grand prizes, and to >add insult, he was shut out in Best Director category throughout the >70s and 80s as well. >>> >>> After the Color Purple loss, Academy officials were so alarmed by >the serial snubbing of Hollywood's most successful director that they >took the unheard of step of bestowing upon Spielberg at age 40 the >Thalberg Lifetime achievement award, until then reserved for >septuagenarians at the end of their careers. >>> >>> It wasn't until seven years later, when he made a three hour >holocaust film that Oscar finally couldn't deny giving him their >grand prize for Schindler's List. But since then, it has been a 20 >year sea of also-rans. >>> >>> Of course, he hasn't gone completely unrecognized. Eight Best >Picture nominations is something most directors will never even dream >of. Add to that, two Best Directing awards making him the most >awarded director since William Wyler in the 1950's. >>> >>> But still, somehow the Best Picture prize keeps sliding from his >grasp, and for a man at the top of Hollywood, to be the town's >perpetual also-ran in its biggest contest has to be galling. >>> >>> In a town with ? despite the disruptive presence of the internet ? >a fixed number of studios and a shrinking number of major releases, >entertainment remains a zero-sum game. Celebrating the achievement of >the man with a permanent position on top is never entirely in one's >best interest (unless you're doing it to his face). >>> >>> And in a place where, as William Goldman famously put it, "no one >knows anything" and everyone knows that they don't know anything, >seeing the mighty stumble does even the chaotic playing field a bit. >>> >>> But even more to the point, as big a business as entertainment is, >even as it stands as America's #1 export, the residents of Hollywood >still need to think of themselves as scrappy outsiders, the oppressed >souls who fled the closed minds back in their small towns and came to >a place where at last they could breathe the air of artistic freedom. > >>> >>> The fact that this is the story of almost no one in modern >Hollywood, dampens its power not a bit. Even as they drive their >$50,000 hybrids paid for by CGI-explosion fests, Hollywood's need to >think of itself as The Oppressed Outsiders holds an >undying power. >>> >>> In choosing their Best Picture each year, the members of the >Academy choose what story they want to tell the world about >Hollywood. First there is the story the film tells on the screen; and >in recent years these have become trended heavily towards the edgier, >hipper end of the dead center of middlebrow filmmaking; Oscar has >ceased awarding the schmaltzy Braveheart's and Driving Miss Daisy's >that paint the industry as a place of uptight squares in favor of >Slumdog Millionaire's and Hurt Locker's. >>> >>> Even a thriller like Argo is animated by a minimalist aesthetic >that speaks to restrained, hipster sensibilities far more than the >genre winners of a decade or two ago. >>> >>> But more than the story on the screen, Oscar likes to tell a good >story off the screen about the making of a film. And however >contorted and difficult the journey of a Spielberg film to get to the >multi-plex (and Lincoln did take thirteen years) in the end, >"Billionaire Hollywood Titan Makes Good Movie", is not a tale to >inspire the unwashed masses. >>> >>> On the awards trail this year, Ben Affleck ran circles around >Spielberg playing up the gracious, just-happy-to-be-allowed-back >comeback story. He showed up at all the events, was warm and >self-deprecating. People who remembered how far he fell post-Gigli >could not help but be touched by his redemption story. And when the >empire seemed to be rubbing it in by shutting him out of the Best >Director nominations, they rallied to his side. >>> >>> In contrast, Spielberg, as he always is when he gets into an Oscar >race, went into a heavily managed bunker posture, limiting his >appearances, keeping his interviews to few, appearing handled and >protected at every turn. >>> >>> The fact of the matter is that a heavily guarded, insulated >oligarch is much closer to the true face of Hollywood than a >vanquished actor giving one more chance to redeem himself, as an >artist. But its not about what story is true, it's about what story >projects the way Hollywood would like to think of itself. >>> >>> The shame of it is, the real Spielberg on the rare moments when he >emerges from behind the palace gates is a wonderful story and a >wonderful story teller. He has had a career like no other of his >generation, has in his time taken enormous risks both as an artist >and producer that have led to be triumphs and disappointments. He is >responsible for a busload of films high and low destined to stand the >test of time. >>> >>> And when he submits to interviews, he is warm, gracious, >avuncular, undefensive and endlessly fascinating with five >decades of filmmaking stories under his belt. >>> >>> However, he is also, as this race shows again, all too willing to >play the mighty mogul on high. And in the end, the fear that position >inspires might keep him at the top of the industry, but as he has >discovered once more, it doesn't make Hollywood see him as its >ambassador to the world. >>> >>> >>> >http://www.buzzfeed.com/richardrushfield/argo-win-makes-spielberg-hol >lywoods-biggest-loser >>> >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> Oscar-Winning Lessons in History and Hard Sell >>> >>> >>> By MELENA RYZIK for the NEW YORK TIMES >>> February 27, 2013 >>> >>> LOS ANGELES ? A few months into awards season, at a party >celebrating another movie, a veteran actor-writer-director-producer, >who takes his Academy Awards duties very seriously, whispered to me >that he was sure ?Lincoln? would win big on Oscar night. >>> >>> ?Because it?s Lincoln,? he said. ?It?s like not voting for George >Washington. And you really feel like you get to know >Lincoln. We can?t not vote for our favorite president.? >>> >>> The more than 6,000 members of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts >and Sciences apparently did not see it as their patriotic duty to >vote for ?Lincoln? or its director, Steven Spielberg. >>> >>> Daniel Day-Lewis?s win for his performance demystifying the 16th >president was not compensation. >>> >>> Mr. Spielberg, one studio boss said, looked stricken when he lost >the best director award to Ang Lee. >>> >>> In the days after ?Argo? won best picture at the ceremony on >Sunday, it?s been a parlor game among Hollywood types to figure out >why ?Lincoln? lost. After all, it had all the hallmarks of an Academy >Award-dominating film: a venerated director; a celebrated, erudite >scriptwriter in the Pulitzer Prize-winning Tony Kushner; a landmark >role for Mr. Day-Lewis; good reviews and even better box office; and, >not least, millions to spend on campaigning. >>> >>> Lobbying voters is frowned on by the Academy and yet a necessity >of the monthslong award cycle. This season, insiders said, the team >behind ?Lincoln? ? executives at DreamWorks and Disney ? >overcampaigned, leaving voters with the unpleasant feeling that they >were being force-fed a highly burnished history lesson. ?It was a >good movie, not sliced bread,? one veteran awards watcher said. >>> >>> Overreaching was perhaps a failure of the broadcast itself too. >The host, Seth MacFarlane, and the producers, Neil Meron and Craig >Zadan, tried to marry old-school showbiz panache with ?provocative? >humor and the result was an entertainment grab bag: the Gay Men?s >Chorus of Los Angeles; a foul-mouthed talking teddy bear; splashy >song-and-dance numbers for every conceivable demographic (save >anybody who likes hip-hop); Captain Kirk; sock puppets (sock > puppets!); racist, sexist punch lines that seemed lifted from the >insult-comic era; and the first lady of the United States. About the >only things missing were kitten videos and the Harlem Shake (but in >blackface). >>> >>> But since the ratings were up slightly, especially in the coveted >18-to-49 age bracket, and despite some high-level protests ? the >reviews were not entirely scathing, the production could ultimately >be considered a success. (Mr. MacFarlane, though, has already said he >won?t be back as host.) >>> >>> In a three-and-a-half-hour spectacle of glossy celebration for a >roomful of superstars dripping with jewels and self-regard, the >question of how much is too much may seem moot. But with the right >tone and perspective, even that ego parade can seem fun to watch. In >choosing Mr. MacFarlane in its quest for a younger, more male >viewership, the Academy sacrificed its central constituency ? women >make up the majority of the Oscar audience ? and fomented cultural >battles in an awards season already full of them. >>> >>> Then again, it was the political posturing that made this one of >the most interesting Oscar races in recent memory. As the vibrant >discussion of just how much truth bending is acceptable in fact-based >movies shows, authenticity ? or at least the perception of >authenticity ? still counts. >>> >>> Though it took liberties with its story, ?Argo? squeaked by on >truthiness. It also triumphed as a consensus choice in a field of >high-quality candidates, each with its own passionate faction of >defenders. As Mr. Spielberg himself said, when he lost the Directors >Guild Award to Ben Affleck and ?Argo,? ?There have been moments when >I wish it was a slightly less incredible year for movies.? >>> >>> There may have been other reasons ?Lincoln? fell by the wayside. >Dimly illuminated, to replicate the lighting of the period, and >stuffed with long passages of speechifying by waistcoated, bearded >men, the film did not play well on DVD screeners (nor, perhaps, did >another historically based competitor, ?Zero Dark Thirty?). >>> >>> Cynics also say that Mr. Spielberg, as Hollywood?s reigning titan, >was primed for a takedown ? envy being as motivating a force as greed >in this industry ? and that voters were enthralled by the comeback >story that Mr. Affleck represented. >>> >>> Somehow Mr. Affleck could not overcampaign, or at least, his >combination of movie-star charm and tabloid comeuppance won people >over. Also, he talked film references like an expert. Which, having >won an Oscar at 25 (for writing ?Good Will Hunting? with Matt Damon) >after a career as a child actor, this college dropout turned director >pretty much is. >>> >>> Casual viewers often wonder if Oscar victory comes down to >something simpler: who makes the best movie. It does not. Nor does >the funniest person make the best Oscar host. There is a narrative to >both endeavors, a combination of self-effacement and artistry (voilà, >Mr. Lee), being of the moment and timeless, that is hard to pull off. >Mr. Spielberg will no doubt try again, and in the meantime he and the >other also-rans can console themselves with another prize, >Hollywood?s ultimate popularity contest: record-breaking ticket >sales. >>> >>> And next year, may we suggest to the Academy, hire Jennifer >Lawrence to host. >>> >>> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com >>> >>> >___________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List >>> >>> Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu >>> >>> In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L >>> >>> The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. >>> >>> >>> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com >>> >>> >___________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List >>> >>> Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu >>> >>> In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L >>> >>> The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. >>> >>> >>> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com >>> >>> >___________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List >>> >>> Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu >>> >>> In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L >>> >>> The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. >>> >>> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com >>> >___________________________________________________________________ >>> How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List >>> Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu >>> In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L >>> The author of this message is solely responsible for its content. >>> >> >> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com >> >___________________________________________________________________ >> How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List >> >> Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu >> In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L >> >> The author of this message is solely responsible for its content >. >> >> Visit the MoPo Mailing List Web Site at www.filmfan.com ___________________________________________________________________ How to UNSUBSCRIBE from the MoPo Mailing List Send a message addressed to: lists...@listserv.american.edu In the BODY of your message type: SIGNOFF MOPO-L The author of this message is solely responsible for its content.
