Hi David I have just done some checking and you are correct. eBay charges a percentage fee out of the VAT or Sales Tax that they collect. I sold a poster to a customer in the UK recently for 24.99 plus postage. My international postage charge is the actual cost. eBay's fees for the transaction to the UK totaled $9.35. Bottom line is that I sold a poster for $24.99 but only received $15.64
The sad thing is that it is really difficult to find the breakup of fees and many sellers just don't check their accounts so they don't realise how much they are being charged. Fortunately, I rely on my website for the vast majority of my sales although I have had to restrict sales to the UK and Europe because to the new customs regulations. Regards John John Reid Moviemem Original Movie Posters www.moviemem.com<http://www.moviemem.com/> PO Box 92 Elanora Qld 4221 Australia Phone: 0414 720 369 From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of David Kusumoto Sent: 16 April, 2022 9:00 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU Subject: Re: [MOPO] WHOOP-DI-DOO - I netted just $10.69 from a $50 eBay sale of my R2018 Louise Brooks poster. Hi John Yes, that's absolutely correct, at least for me, a collector who's a non-participant in any eBay promotional selling programs for high volume dealers. I had to go to THREE (3) DIFFERENT PAGES to get screen shots to figure out what eBay is doing. And I've assembled them onto one image - with my annotations below. https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/471/ckebOM.jpg [https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/471/ckebOM.jpg] ________________________________ From: Moviemem Original Movie Posters <johnr...@moviemem.com<mailto:johnr...@moviemem.com>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2022 1:50 PM To: David Kusumoto <davidmkusum...@hotmail.com<mailto:davidmkusum...@hotmail.com>>; MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU<mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> <MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU<mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>> Subject: RE: [MOPO] WHOOP-DI-DOO - I netted just $10.69 from a $50 eBay sale of my R2018 Louise Brooks poster. Hi David Are you saying that eBay is including the VAT that they collected when calculating the Final value fee? My understanding was that they calculated their final value fees on the total of the sale of the item plus postage. They then add a small "international" fee. I didn't think that they included the VAT when calculating the final value fee but I could be wrong. Regards John John Reid Moviemem Original Movie Posters www.moviemem.com<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.moviemem.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3f83a3e926e24cdfd14508da1f218890%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637856526148532205%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=jqxnJo%2FsvFwQMQaN4hpIznroygVmAjgqOH6NNftVSFI%3D&reserved=0> PO Box 92 Elanora Qld 4221 Australia From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of David Kusumoto Sent: 15 April, 2022 8:28 PM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU<mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> Subject: [MOPO] WHOOP-DI-DOO - I netted just $10.69 from a $50 eBay sale of my R2018 Louise Brooks poster. Three days after posting this on MoPo - My Louise Brooks poster (see preceding email below) - sold for $50 yesterday. I knew about the USPS and UPS surcharges for poster tubes - but for some stupid reason - I thought eBay - for those of us who aren't part of its global shipping program - are availed to access discounted shipping rates for non-dealers under what's called "eBay International Delivery" - whereby eBay provides point-to-point service including dealing with customs, etc. - before handing items off to each country's contracted delivery service. eBay International Delivery provides full tracking options. After a UK buyer won the poster for $50 - (plus a "displayed" eBay International Delivery rate of $38 to the UK + $17.60 VAT, etc. = a whopping $105.60) - for a poster shipped in a 32x3x3 tube - I was shocked to learn after I packed the thing - that eBay International Delivery - NOW prevents shipping items longer than 27 inches in length. It warned of severe penalties, e.g., higher tack-on costs - for shippers breaking its new dimension and weight rules. I was thus forced to purchase USPS Priority International Mail - at a cost of $67.17. Higher than the "retail" cost of the $50 poster itself. Of course I still honored the deal - because it's not the buyer's fault when a seller incurs higher than expected shipping costs. He paid $38 for shipping whie my actual shipping for Priority Mail International I was forced to use - was $67.17 - which meant I absorbed the $29.17 difference between my $67.17 and his $38 contribution. Thus - after paying seller fees of $10.14 on a $50 poster + the $29.17 difference for shipping = this poster just netted me only $10.69. I became obsessed with eBay's ultra-complicated / Byzantine fee structure I here's what I found after my mishap: TOTAL PAID BY BUYER: Louise Brooks Poster $ 50.00 Buyer Paid Shipping $ 38.00 VAT* $ 17.60 ----------------------------------- TOTAL PAID BY BUYER: $105.60 ======================================= TOTAL FEES I PAID - First, here's eBay's "cost basis" - Louise Brooks Poster $50.00 VAT +$17.60 -------------------------------------- eBay Fees are based on $67.60 ========================================== eBay Fees breakdown: Variable % * Entertainment Memorabilia Rate for items sold up to $7,500.00 is 12.9% $67.60 cost basis × 12.9% = -$ 8.72 International Fee because buyer is in the U.K. $67.60 cost basis × 1.65% = -$ 1.12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Insertion (FVF) Fee -$ 0.30 ---------------------------------------------------------- Total eBay fees -$10.14 ========================================================== eBay's calculations to me: Buyer paid $50 for poster + $38 for shipping = $88.00 Minus Fees based on $67.60 (see above) -$10.14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Subtotal Net....................................$77.86 Minus Priority Mail International Shipping - $67.17 (because eBay International Shipping rejects tubes > than 27" --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MY TOTAL NET for a poster that sold for $50.....$10.69 =========================================================== Could eBay make this any MORE COMPLICATED? If I had consigned to Bruce based on a $50 sale - my take would have been $32.50 (35%) - WAY ABOVE the $10.69 I'm getting from eBay. I didn't consign because I didn't have more items to throw in to meet his enforced $200 retail min. per consignment package. And because the Louise Brooks poster is a low value niche item - I figured it was worth putting it on eBay, as I figured I could net, I don't know, at least $35 or $40 after fees were paid. With the previously mentioned $15 surcharges by UPS and USPS to ship tubes greater than 22 inches - combined with eBay capping its "eBay International Delivery" service to to tubes or packages NO GREATER than 27 inches long - it's obvious that the days of shipping posters in tubes overseas - is only going to be worth it for high value posters, not mid-to-low value ones. I have even greater appreciation for the aggravations independent dealers have to face staying afloat with nonsense like this. - d. [https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img923/9749/IrZcAA.jpg] ________________________________ From: MoPo List <mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU<mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>> on behalf of David Kusumoto <davidmkusum...@hotmail.com<mailto:davidmkusum...@hotmail.com>> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2022 12:40 AM To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU<mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> <MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU<mailto:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU>> Subject: FS: LOUISE BROOKS ORIGINAL GERMAN 2018 BERLIN SYMPHONY OF A GREAT CITY 23x33 A1 FS: LOUISE BROOKS ORIGINAL GERMAN 2018 BERLIN SYMPHONY OF A GREAT CITY 23x33 A1 Up for sale (though with the recently discussed UPS and USPS surcharges for poster tubes - this may sit up there for a while) - is a R2018 special presentation A1 poster of the restored 1927 film, "Berlin - Die Sinfonie Der Grosstadt" ("BERLIN - SYMPHONY OF A GREAT CITY"). A giant high-resolution image of this exact poster with some edge wear on the top right edge - is hosted at the following link (with the eMoviePoster watermark which is where I purchased it - and displayed for a few years before swapping it out of its frame last week with a French Raquel poster). Spotting is part of the printed image, not a defect: https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/130/gvhsaH.jpg<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fimagizer.imageshack.com%2Fimg924%2F130%2FgvhsaH.jpg&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3f83a3e926e24cdfd14508da1f218890%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637856526148532205%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=t8mjY9yHyVBtCYct8JV6KzCO1izeSE6dFUSIz8YV4J4%3D&reserved=0> Meanwhile, sale listing details are here with smaller photos recently taken showing no change in condition: https://www.ebay.com/itm/255482125163<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2F255482125163&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3f83a3e926e24cdfd14508da1f218890%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637856526148532205%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=OB98cnqTMcfpUohpj4%2FD8YXakNxs8%2FSMi7WxzCE%2BxNI%3D&reserved=0> [https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/9PMAAOSwxoliUzvh/s-l400.jpg]<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2F255482125163&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3f83a3e926e24cdfd14508da1f218890%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637856526148532205%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=OB98cnqTMcfpUohpj4%2FD8YXakNxs8%2FSMi7WxzCE%2BxNI%3D&reserved=0> LOUISE BROOKS ORIGINAL GERMAN 2018 BERLIN SYMPHONY OF A GREAT CITY 23x33 A1 | eBay<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2F255482125163&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3f83a3e926e24cdfd14508da1f218890%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637856526148532205%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=OB98cnqTMcfpUohpj4%2FD8YXakNxs8%2FSMi7WxzCE%2BxNI%3D&reserved=0> CITY (1927 / 2018)". in May 2018 of the. LOUISE BROOKS. OF A GREAT. ---SEE ALL LARGE PHOTOS BELOW---. (Not a Reproduction.). 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