Re: [MOPO] Aw: Re: [MOPO] Grading VHS Tapes

Tom Martin Sat, 06 Jan 2024 08:46:55 -0800

Interesting Helmut

When I opened my store I also had videos from a company in Toledo calledvideo connection their claim to fame was that they sold public domaincowboy western films which I sold John day the owner many 16 mm westernfilms that they then made copies of a vhs who is called a videoconnection and I think they sold outHi set up kiosks in video connection stores with movie posters for awhile because they had about 10 stores in ToledoAnd we even rented tapes in our store for a while when people werebuying brand new tapes also we sold some and I think I still have a fewsealed videos that were never sold like blade runner and a few others Ialso have DVDs there are many that are out of print and I think areconsidered collectibleLike the criterion laser desks were considered because Beta sony tapeswhere better quality then VHs.. Remember people were buying Walt DisneyVHS tapes because Disney marked in them that they be discontinued alongwith I remember Wizard of Oz they kept saying that would be the lasttime you would be released I haven't had the posters for the video and Isold and still have video ones shoes that were sometimes actual studioissued posters like for instance Warner Bros. Because when nationalscreen was closed down was when the one shoe posters took on the sidesize of 27 x 40 versus 27 x 41 that was in the 90s I believe whennational screen service close down and the theater poster exchanges werethe only way to get old stock of one sheets and from private collectorsthat is also when all the rise of reproductions became very popular it'sfunny I started in 1977 and it was just poster geeks that collectedposters back to the same guys that were collecting comic books and toysvery eclectic crowd but who is the foundation of my business along witha handful of dealers across the US and Europe I've been in limbo sinceI was ill and Covid so I've watched so many things change I still havesuper eight movie projectors and films and some 16mm energy actually hada resurgence because Kodak started making super eight cameras again andall formats are actually still collectible people still buy film forinstance who would've thought vinyl records would've been so popularagain and it's really common now to buy vinyl copies I'm waiting for 70eights to return because I even have 78 RPM and old books are still indemand along with old movie magazines which one I started actually wereworth more but depending on the condition and of course 8 x 10 photosare still sought after basically until collectors or dealers pass awaypeople seem to be saving everything like board games toys filmsI still have a little bit of everything that I started out with back in1977+ even my reproduction posters are 20 to 40 years old so they'vebecome collectible just because they're the only ones out there moviememorabilia is a funny businessI always joke because when I started I would sell door size posters ofTheda Bara and nobody has asked me for Theda Barra posters in over 20years or possibly 30 years

to be continued?
Tom
Hollywood dream Factory®
since 1977







On 2024-01-06 10:11, Helmut Hamm wrote:

VHS tapes have always been collectible, but it is a market that has
been widely ignored by outsiders for a long time.

Apparently, VHS collecting is not limited to sealed tapes: A few years
ago I spoke to a collector who complained about the vast number or
FAKE VHS paper inlays. To that day, I was not aware VHS covers were
collectible at all, but apparently the market is big enough that it
makes sense to counterfeit the most desirable ones. Live and learn.

As to the movie poster market: Personally, I can't share Rich's
pessimism. Yes, the market is changing. And yes, Buck Jones once was
at the top of the movie poster food chain. As was William S. Hart and
a few others. On the other hand, I still remember a leading dealer
loudly proclaiming that 1980s posters will NEVER be worth any money...


I pretty much built my business from scratch, with no money to speak
of. I quit my day job in 1999 and have made my living exclusively from
selling movie posters ever since. I have hardly sold anything at
auction in the last 15 years, and I closed my ebay shop several years
ago and never looked back. Between the brick-and-mortar shop and the
website I'm still doing fine. There are a number of dealers out there
who have proven that it is perfectly possible to get rich selling
movie posters. Too bad, I'm not one of them. But frankly, that was
never really part of the plan. Like anybody else, I was affected by
the Covid lockdown. I actually liked it and I am opening by
appointment only ever since. Also, two years ago I turned the showroom
into my private exhibition space, so nothing that is on display is for
sale. I always wanted to have a shop where you can't buy anything, so
that is fun.

In a word: For the last 25 years, this business has paid my rent, has
put food on my table and paid for quite a few extravagancies. What
more could I possibly ask for?

Helmut

www.filmposter.net

GESENDET: Donnerstag, 04. Januar 2024 um 06:18 Uhr
 VON: "Sean Linkenback" <s...@llpslaw.com>
 AN: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
 BETREFF: Re: [MOPO] Grading VHS Tapes

Cool - an actual discussion on MoPo instead of more dealer ads.

So to answer Kirby's original question, Freeman was talking about
gaming cartridges as collectibles and compared them to the beauty of a
Buck Jones or Gloria Swanson poster.
There is no doubt that Buck Jones glory days as a collectible poster
are well in the past, with prices peaking probably 30 years ago.
Swanson may have peaked later, but also on a downward trend. Take a
look at a Buck Jones 1-sheet like South of the Rio Grande, every time
Bruce has sold one over the past 30 years the price has drifted
downward. You can buy one now for well less than half what it sold for
in the 90s. Does anyone honestly expect that to change?

Look at ebay listings for movie posters compared to gaming cartridges
(and even VHS now that they have been thrown into the conversation).
There are currently over 675,000 movie poster listings on ebay, with
63,000 sold. VHS turns up over 1.6 million searches with over 210,000
sold (not a one from Heritage I don't believe Peter), and gaming
cartridges an incredible 4 million listings with over 600,000 sold.

Plus look at the sales prices! In just a short(?) amount of time,
there have been VHS sales for higher than Bruce has ever sold a movie
poster, and gaming cartridge prices can make VHS look cheap.

Don't get me wrong, I still love movie paper more than any of the
other categories (and back it up with paying silly prices for what I
collect). But if I was buying just for collectibles sake I'd rather
have the gaming cartridges (or maybe Magic the Gathering or Pokemon
cards).

On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 9:16 PM peter contarino
<mpexchangeu...@gmail.com> wrote:

I was being generous using the word "create" Rich. HNY!

On Wednesday, January 3, 2024, Richard Halegua MPB.auction
<richadmin@mpb.auction> wrote:

but they didn't create the VHS market, not by any measure. they just
jumped on the bandwagon.
On 1/3/2024 5:27 PM, peter contarino wrote: WATA you talking about
Rich. Ha is an extremely creative company.

Peter

On Wednesday, January 3, 2024, Richard Halegua MPB.auction
<richadmin@mpb.auction> wrote:

Peter, I rarely disagree with you, but I disagree with you here.
Heritage did not create this market. VHS tapes were getting a lot
of money before HA ever entered the field.

HA is reactive, not creative. They saw a burgeoning market, and they
joined in to the hobby, because after all - they are a hobby auction
site, and there was already a lot of money on the table

the most valuable VHS is a disney Beauty & the Beast tape, which
sold for almost a quarter mil years before HA ever looked at VHS
collecting

that Youtube video is total bullshit

If HA was able to create a market as you think, then movie posters
would be going crazy, which we both know is not the case,
unfortunately.

Rich
On 1/3/2024 2:20 PM, peter contarino wrote: Scott the reason some
people are buying these is because heritage is "creating" a market
for them.
And people are stupid.

On Wednesday, January 3, 2024, Scott Burns <sbu...@columbus.rr.com>
wrote:

Surely not *all* VHS tapes are gaining in value.

If that's really true perhaps it's time for me to rethink my plan to
give them away to some youngster in a VHS Facebook group rather than
sitting them out with the trash. I have boxes of the blasted things,
including those that belonged to my parents. Plus boxes of
home-recorded VHS tapes dating back to the very early 1980's. And
let's not even mention the boxes of Laserdiscs and LP's…with a few
cassettes and 45's, too. (Sorry no 8-tracks! 😊)

I can't imagine why anyone would want old lousy picture quality VHS
tapes. Even harder to imagine is someone shelling out much cash for
them. There really is a sucker born….well you know the rest.

Scott

FROM: MoPo List <mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> ON BEHALF OF Rich
Halegua MPB.auction
SENT: Wednesday, January 3, 2024 3:49 PM
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SUBJECT: Re: [MOPO] Grading VHS Tapes

Kirby

posters are static in value, or worse, declining. it's a small
hobby, younger people don't really care, and much of what more
modern audiences want in posters are too cheap to bother with.

on the other hand, vhs & video games are ascendant & the auctions
beat poster auction totals hands-down.

it's purely a money equation, that posters are dying, and vhs are
gaining

Rich

On 1/3/2024 8:36 AM, Kirby McDaniel wrote:

Why?

Kirby McDaniel

On Jan 2, 2024, at 11:39 PM, Sean Linkenback <s...@llpslaw.com>
wrote:

I've seen Buck Jones posters and owned Gloria Swanson posters - I
think I'd rather have the gaming cartridges if we are looking at
them as collectibles.

On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 10:29 PM Freeman Fisher
<00000016869468b6-dmarc-requ...@listserv.american.edu> wrote:

Glenn,

CGC is grading video cassettes.

Here is a link:

https://www.cgchomevideo.com/ [1]

I am still suspect of them as a collectible, but there are people
out there with stupid money, proven by some of the prices for Gaming
cartridges.

A new generation…………who have never had the joy of seeing a
quality stone litho of a Columbia Buck Jones poster or a Gloria
Swanson from Paramount

Who am i kidding, they've never heard of Gloria Swanson or Buck
Jones.

Freeman Fisher

On Jan 2, 2024, at 6:49 PM, Glenn Taranto <exit82afi...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hello All -

I have a, still mostly sealed, VHS tape from the original video
release of BATMAN (1989). It was the first tape released in LA at
the Sunset Blvd Tower Records location. There's way more to this
story but the point is...

WHERE IS THE BEST PLACE TO GET A VHS TAPE GRADED AND HOW MUCH DOES
IT COST?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Happy, Healthy and Successful New Year to all -

Glenn

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