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Question: is there a Facebook group page for this discussion? I looked but didn't find. Might be a bit easier to converse on FB; Comments? Love, Lesszen > On Jan 31, 2017, at 1:06 PM, moq_discuss-requ...@lists.moqtalk.org wrote: > > Send Moq_Discuss mailing list submissions to > moq_discuss@lists.moqtalk.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > moq_discuss-requ...@lists.moqtalk.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > moq_discuss-ow...@lists.moqtalk.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Moq_Discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Rhetoric (david) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 04:54:49 +0000 > From: david <dmbucha...@hotmail.com> > To: "moq_disc...@moqtalk.org" <moq_disc...@moqtalk.org> > Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric > Message-ID: > > <sn1pr18mb038405e0dcf54037f2a7a525da...@sn1pr18mb0384.namprd18.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > "<http://www.openculture.com/2016/07/wireless-philosophy-critical-thinking.html>Do > you know someone whose arguments consist of baldly specious reasoning, > hopelessly confused categories, archipelagos of logical fallacies buttressed > by seawalls of cognitive biases? Surely you do. Perhaps such a person would > welcome some instruction on the properties of critical thinking and > argumentation? Not likely? Well, just in case, you may wish to send them over > to this series of Wireless Philosophy (or ?WiPhi?) videos by philosophy > instructor Geoff Pynn of Northern Illinois University and doctoral students > Kelley Schiffman of Yale, Paul Henne of Duke, and several other philosophy > and psychology graduates." > <http://www.openculture.com/2016/07/wireless-philosophy-critical-thinking.html> > > > <http://www.openculture.com/2016/07/wireless-philosophy-critical-thinking.html> > > http://www.openculture.com/2016/07/wireless-philosophy-critical-thinking.html > > 32 Animated Videos by Wireless Philosophy Teach You the > ...<http://www.openculture.com/2016/07/wireless-philosophy-critical-thinking.html> > www.openculture.com > Do you know someone whose arguments consist of baldly specious reasoning, > hopelessly confused categories, archipelagos of logical fallacies buttressed > by seawalls of ... > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Moq_Discuss <moq_discuss-boun...@lists.moqtalk.org> on behalf of X Acto > <xa...@rocketmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:17 AM > To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org > Subject: Re: [MD] Rhetoric > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 21, 2017, at 1:21 PM, ngriffis <ngrif...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >> >> Ron, you mentioned Love of Wisdom, Seeking the Truth. Yes, that >> seems to be the right path alright. Would you talk about some of the logic >> traps you have found to be of most use to you? Is there a book on logic >> traps that you found especially helpful? How did you teach yourself the >> awareness to recognize those specific traps before you spoke or acted >> illogically? > > Ron replies: > Because I suffer from PTSD, I tend to be prone to obsessive self reflection. > I cope using skills I've learned from several sources. > The perennial: > Stay in the now of experience it offers relief from the obsessive mind. Texts > by Epictetus > We're most helpful. > > Because the mind is obsessive it influences > perception. > > There is a very helpful paper online: > > TRAPS OF TRADITIONAL LOGIC & DIALECTICS: > WHAT THEY ARE AND HOW TO AVOID THEM > by Robert E. Horn > The Lexington Institute > Introduction > We all try to avoid the common fallacies of deductive reasoning that teachers > of thinking have helped us to identify. But recent research into the > foundations of thinking suggests that some non-deductive fallacies may be > more common, more insidious, and easier to fall into. And they result from > built-in limitations to everyday thinking patterns about the phenomena change > and stability. But since they are based on systematic distortions built into > largely preconscious thought processes,they have, historically, been > difficult to identify in a routine manner. Recently, with increasing > sophistication in understanding our thought processes, examples of these > traps are easier to notice, if only because we are more tuned to the casual > errors in elaborating an argument. The contribution of this paper is to > collect and categorize these traps and show how they are related directly to > and, indeed, are somehow generated by the axioms of traditional and > dialectical logic." > > > > The seven of traps that derive from traditional logic are: > > The Forever Changeless Trap. In this trap we think of the current condition > as being the same forever. > The Process-Event Trap. This trap leads us into the error > of thinking in terms of object-like "events" where we would > do better to think in terms of processes. > The Solve It by Redefining It Trap. This could be called > the Definition Can Do It Trap in that it attempts to solve > problems by redefinition alone. > The Independent Self Trap. In this trap we separate > organism from environment, ourselves from our > interdependence with others. > The Isolated Problem Trap. In the grip of this trap we > regard problems as unconnected to their wider contexts. > The Single Effect Trap. In this trap we think that we can > cause a single effect with no "side-effects." > The Exclusive Alternatives Trap. Traditional logic tends to > make us think in terms of either-or analysis. Many situations demand that we > juggle more than two alternatives. > > I outline six potential dialectic traps: > > The More Is Better Trap. In this trap we assume that anything can be solved > by application of more resources. > The Force Can Do It Trap. In the grips of this trap we think in terms only of > forcing a solution on the situation. > The Conflicts Create Productive Change Trap. A direct implication of > dialectical thought is the idea that you can create change by creating > conflict and that conflict will produce beneficial results. > The Inevitable Antagonism Trap. In this trap we assume that there is > inevitable conflict between persons, organisms, groups, nation-states. > The No Limits Trap. This trap assumes limitless resources and arenas for > action. > The There's Got to Be a Winner Trap. This trap is the misapplication of the > idea of a winner and loser to situations where it is not applicable. > These traps result from the unconscious acceptance of the point of view > implicit in the axioms of dialectical logic, which are: > 1. The axiom of transformation Sufficient changes in quantity may produce > changes in quality. > 2. The axiom of interaction between opposites Opposing forces produce a > transformation of the system which includes both of them. > 3. The axiom of negation of the negation The inevitable conflict between > thesis and its antithesis produces something different from either of them, > the synthesis. > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > MOQ Online - MOQ_Discuss<http://moq.org/md/archives.html> > moq.org > The MOQ_Discuss mailing list has been moved to a new hosting company and a > new mailing list server. 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