The protest you are referring to is a worldwide phenomenon, whilst it is
obvious that some/most protests attract a fringe element of "anarchists" etc
it is the media's role to give balanced coverage of all the issue's; many of
the protestors are there because they feel the present system of 3rd world
loans, environmental damage, child labour in less developed countries is a
poor quality system and every other legitemate means of expressing their
views goes unheard, unreported and at the very least misrepresented.
    What of capitalism's other failure's, children shooting teacher's,
children massacring their classmates, massive drug problem's, ghetto's,
crime through the roof, a large proportion of society scared to leave their
house's for fear of being mugged,car-jacked,shot.A massive rise in homeless-
has "trickle down econommics" helped these?
    When european countries had governments of a socialist inclination
people weren't forced to do anthing, certainly at gunpoint, how is socialism
automatically equated with a dictatorship? With regards to being forced at
gunpoint didn't "the greatest" government send in tanks and helicopters to
shoot and burn children at waco, it was on CNN?

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Subject: Re: MD Free Markets


In a message dated 5/22/2001 2:15:59 PM Central Daylight Time, 
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Those who see terrible problems in the free market system seem to 
have no solutions other than some form of totalitarianism. The last 
century saw the results of that course of action. Any other ideas?



Platt is right. While the anarchist movement seems to be growing, attracting

more and more young people who want to fight "Corporate America" and "the 
System" (the riots in Seattle over the WTO, for example), they can't come to

ANY coherent consensus regarding a *solution*. 

When anarchists are directly questioned about what the substitue for 
Capitalism should be, they become evasive. I think the reason for this is 
that anarchists don't focus on solutions. They focus on tearing things down.

To tear down America's current system without offering any blueprints for 
rebuilding is just plain destructive. 

The main reason they don't want to talk very much about the solution is, I 
personally believe, because most of them think Socialism is the ultimate 
solution. They truly believe Socialism would be good for America, although 
most won't come right out and admit it. They know instinctively that using 
the "S" word (and the even more dreaded "C" word) causes a knee-jerk
reaction 
among the majority of "uninformed" Americans who feel Socialism is a 
horrible, even evil, thing. So they stay tight-lipped when it comes to the 
question of solutions. 

When presented with the fact of Socialism's worldwide failures, in
particular 
the former Soviet Union, they say "Well, it wasn't done the right way there.

If it's done the right way, it would work, etc, etc" 

There's a reason it wasn't done the right way in the Soviet Union, and 
there's a reason Socialism will NEVER be done the "right" way. Because
humans 
are human. Socialism would work, of course, in a perfect world. But this 
isn't a perfect world. The things people hate about Capitalism---greed, 
treachery, etc---is the product of human nature. You can put humans into a 
system but you can but a system into humans. 

It doesn't matter if a country is Capitalistic or Socialistic---human nature

remains the same within any system, and thus any system is susceptible to 
corruption. I'd much rather live in a corrupted Capitalistic society than a 
corrupted Socialistic society. The reasons for this should be obvious. Yes,
a 
Capitalistic society does influence us to wear certain clothes through slick

advertising, and it's a grossly unfair system in many ways. 

But in a Capitalistic country, you are only influneced to do certain things.

That's the key. In a Socialistic country OTOH you aren't just 
influenced....you are FORCED. Sometimes at gunpoint. In some countries,
quite 
*often* at gunpoint. 

So every system is corruptible, and every system will continue to be 
corrupted as long as humans are humans. The thing to do is pick the system 
that, once corrupted, removes the least amount of personal freedom from out 
everyday lives, and leaves as many people as possible with the chance to do 
whatever they want with their lives. IMO the USA is the greatest nation on 
earth for this reason. Flawed, corrupted, but still the greatest. 

One analogy for Socialism I guess would be marriage. You could say Socialism

is like arranged marriages. The marriage is indeed arranged with the best 
possible intentions in mind for the two partners. And likewise people who 
advocate Socialism indeed have good intentions. But I'd rather have the 
freedom to marry whoever I want, even if other people don't approve of who I

want to marry. And this is why our system is superior to others around the 
world: In America, we can marry who every we want. 

The above analogy about marriage is purely metaphorical of course....but
it's 
a good enough metaphor, I believe, for the effect Socialism has on people's 
destinies and their everyday lives. I want to take the path I want to 
take....I don't want Society telling me which way to go. I may get lured in 
some particular direction by slick advertising, but the choice is still
mine. 

Another analogy/metaphor. America is a multiple choice test; pass or fail, 
it's the result of your own personal choice. Socialistic countries give out 
tests too, but the grades are on a curve; they decided ahead of time how
many 
people will get A's, C's, F's ahead of time. 

And if America is so bad, why do we have more people immigrate to here than 
any other country? 

Jon 
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