Hi Horse and all other left-wing, pinko, bed-wetting liberals :-) (Yes--just joking.)

While it seems to be the belief among many Europeans that 
Americans are too dumb to know the difference between socialism 
and communism, I can assure you that is not always the case. At least 
you must admit that Pirsig knows the difference when he writes in 
Chap. 21 of Lila, "The advent of both democratic and communistic 
socialism and the fascist reaction to them has been the consequence 
of this earthquake." 

What puts socialism and communism in the same boat is as Pirsig 
describes them in Chap. 22--both "programs for intellectual control 
over society." When you have to wait six months for an operation as you 
do in many socialist countries where the health system is intellectually 
controlled, you realize the importance of making room for Dynamic 
Quality, i.e., privatization. Here in this selfish, greedy, corporate 
controlled capitalist country, you get operated on within days, sooner if 
your situation is life threatening, even if you hate the money-grubbing 
surgeon and the profiteering system that supports him. :-) 

Platt
   

> Hi Rog, Platt and all other Imperialist Fascist Scumbags   :-) (only joking - 
>honest!)
> 
> There is one serious flaw in your post Rog. You confuse Socialism with Communism as 
>do 
> many Americans and non-europeans. Socialism existed long before Marx and Engels 
> drafted the Communist Manifesto and will (does) continue long after Communism has 
> disappeared. The UK had a Socialist government (off and on) for a number of years in 
>the 
> 50's, 60's and 70's and did very well under them - the Open University being a prime 
> example of this.
> 
> If we're going to debate this subject then the least you (and everyone else come to 
>that) could 
> do is to ensure that the terminology and definitions are correct. Mistakenly 
>referencing 
> Socialism for Communism and vice versa is little better than mistaking Capitalism 
>for 
> Fascism - although the distinction in this case is probably moot   :-)
> 
> 
> Horse



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