Re: MD mescaline

[Gerhard Ersdal]

Hi,   Arete (Glen) asked: "Would you say that Psychedelic music was not a static pattern of value?"   Wim replied: I know very little about Psychedelic music. You mean that someone must take drugs to produce it, which makes experiencing DQ by drug users relevant for the world at large as it would otherwise miss something valuable like Psychedelic music? Music consists (I think) of intellectual patterns of value (in the broad sense) that can be of value "to the world at large" by offering freedom to social patterns of value. I don't know to what extent Psychedelic music does and can be considered valuable. Do you?   Gerhard would like to add: Being a musician for many years I would like to state that IMO music is indead an intellectual pattern of value (and if you all dissagree, I'm out of here :-). Psychedellic music was to me, when I for the first time was listening to it, a  very dynamic quality experience. I was trained to expect certain things from music, and suddenly someone was more or less joking around with the static patterns I had. After a while psychedellic music also become predictable, and in my understanding static. I can not have a dynamic experience listening to Gong's "Flying teapot" anymore, but it still brings me good memories. Any new music is giving me dynamic quality experiences, and if the music is breaking new barriers, the experience is greater. So I would say that psychedelic music has value.   I do not think that you need to use drugs in order to make or listen to psychedellic music. I've never used drugs, but have both been enjoing the music and contributed with my own.   The difficult question is offcourse if my experiences are biological or intellectual.  The expected tonality of melodies are a social pattern, and is different in different cultures. Dynamic changes to these static patterns are induced by the intellectual level, but the experience feel like both biological and intellectual. I think RMP stated something on this, but I cant find it right now.     Gerhard