Phillip Wigg and MF group.
Welcome Phil and thanks for your first contribution input in which
you wrote:
> Hello Squad,
> I've been lurking for a while now so maybe it's time I contributed.
> The Free Will/Determinism and the Nature/Nuture debate has an aspect
> to it that seems to have been overlooked. That is that they're both
> intellectual patters of value in themselves, they're ideas! I
> wouldn't see them as having any reality apart from that. I'd say the
> the concepts of free will/determinism and nature/nurture are
> concepts we use because they're useful, and to try to decide which
> one if any is 'right' is impossible because the discussion is about
> a static intellectual pattern of values and not about reality
> itself. Wouldn't the MOQ answer surely be 'Mu'?
We have now been discussing Pirsig's ideas for more than two
years and this "intellect as mind and thus less real" problem has
been aired a few times. I will not brush it aside lightly by saying:
"No static level has any reality apart from being static value
patterns; qualitywise and realitywise there's no difference between
a stone and an idea". Until I know if you have some deeper
meaning in your "mu" suggestion.
You say that the discussion is "not about reality itself". Let's
repeat from the basics. When the quality idea was conceived as
presented in "Zen and the Art...", Phaedrus stated that value (or
quality or morals) is the primal reality which spawned subjects and
objects. If you mean that this arch-value is the only reality you are
right, but you will also know that in LILA the Q idea is developed
into a complete metaphysical system - the MOQ - and here the
original value is called Dynamic Quality and subjects and objects
has become the various static levels (or the Intellect alone as I
have suggested in my SOLAQI idea!)
I don't know if we (the discussion group) have reached agreement
whether DQ is one side of a new (quality) dualism (principally
different from the static half) or if it can be seen as part of (the
underlying "medium" for) the static sequence. I personally have not
quite made up my mind about this issue, I feel it would be wrong to
say - like you do - that patterns of the static level aren't real. (Or is
it only the intellect you have misgivings about?).
Let's hear some more from you Phil.
Bodvar "Bo"
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Subject: Re: MF Free Will/Determinism NOT Nature/Nurture
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> Phil.
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