Greetings sir... As I've explored SeedWiki more, it appears that there -is- quite a bit of 'Microsoft' web code behind the technology. Wim was also asked to download an ActiveX control to run the 'edit' portion. The 'proprietary' portion seems to be limited to that control, developed by another company (I don't think it's Microsoft). I believe a lot of the codebase in the wiki is based on home-brewed programming...
FYI, there is an open-source wiki at http://openwiki.com and the authors could have utilized that. We could, too. Thanks for your thoughts on the 'quotes'. Let me pull this up to a larger point... I'm not part of the MoQ_discuss group anymore. It hadn't added any value to my day for a long time, so I simplified things. I'm excellent friends with another young man on this list, Joel Kotarski. We met thru this group, and we've taken to our own philosophical pursuits. Quality and Pirsig only comes up occasionally now. Not that MoQ isn't of importance to us... quite the contrary. But, so far, the 'end' of my investigation, which brought me to MoQ seems to have fulfilled itself. I leave one foot still in the door because I found the MoQ group to be a patient and kind community, welcoming of round and broad discussion. It was a community that I wished to remain a part of and see prosper. So I decided that my contribution would be in 'facilitation'. I built the MoQ 'Brain', as well as the paragraph collection that I forwarded to you. When I saw Joel's suggestion of Wiki, I was excited but stayed off to the side while the idea was incubated. A few days/posts later I saw interest in having our own Wiki. Not wanting to promise anything, I quietly went to work. My only interest is in facilitating further discussion. My input on the discussion end has not seemed to be vital, as of yet, but if I could use my talents to help evolve that discussion, that would be just as good. I don't want to 'own' the MoQWiki... I just wanted to 'seed' it then step out. Which I am doing now. I do apologize that it is a bit unstable... however, from the 4 different wikis that I investigated, this is by far the best free service (unless the group wishes to pool resources to pay for its own). I now feel my attention being pulled elsewhere, and the negative-resonance I've felt in the last couple weeks seems to confirm my suspicion. It is an open question whether I have 'helped' at all, and if the truth sides with the contrary, I submit all apology. Thank you for the discussion and I leave you With warm regards, Christopher Galtenberg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Horse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Christopher Galtenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 18.42 Subject: Re: WIKI Stuff Hi Christopher Apologies for the delay - my partner is away for a couple of days and I have 3 kids (4 yr old girl twins and a 12 yr old boy) who need amusing so by the time I get them to bed about the only thing I'm good for is sitting semi-comatose in front of the TV - and that's on a good day. Anyway..... Re: WIKI OK I went to http://www.seedwiki.com/page.cfm?doc=MoQWiki&wikiid=69 and had a poke around. I thought I'd add my name to the members section. I clicked on the 'EDIT THIS PAGE' section and a new page popped up with this message in it: This Wiki uses the Active Edit control, but your browser does not support it. Pages will have lots of HTML tags in them. You can still edit pages, but you must use HTML for markup instead of Wiki codes. To create a new document first make a link to it in an existing document by entering a single word with at least two uppercase characters in it. : Examples: ValidDocument, ValidDOC, ValidDocumentName, VDM I assume that the Active Edit control is a Microsoft control of some form but I am not sure as all the browsers I tried initially (Opera6, Netscape4.7 and Mozilla0.9.6) gave me the same message so I tried MS Internet Explorer which promptly froze on me as soon as I tried to go to the edit page. I've assumed that Active Edit control is of M$ origin but I may be mistaken. Additionally, having a single name (i.e. Horse) does not seem to be entirely in line with using 2 uppercase chars. to invoke the creation of a page. So not an auspicious start when all's said and done. However as I am completely new to this and it looks like it could be good and I may be being a complete twat in my use of the system I shan't make any lasting judgements just yet. I wouldn't mind a bit of help though if you have a while. I'm not entirely incompetent technically as I am a a programmer for a living (mainly C but with a smattering of C++, VB, Assembler etc) and understand basic HTML. There's no rush as my task tomorrow night will be to put some time into gathering tasks and ideas together for the site and formatting a couple of essays and if I get enought time after that linking the essays to the site. Re: THE MISSING FILE A couple of problems here: 1) It's too big - I've set a limit of 20K for file size as this seems to preclude the transmission of most viruses (I've caught about 15 so far this month all heading for the list) 2) It's XML and as such does nasty things to some email packages and won't display in others (mine f'rinstance). Quite a few members prefer text only email (and considering the possibility for viruses on code-active email tools such as Outlook I don't blame them) and lets face it there's not an enormous need for formatted emails in a philosophical discussion. 3) We haven't gotten around to deciding what to do with the list yet so I don't want to jump the gun on discussions of quotes just yet. This doesn't mean that it won't be useful soon but it will probably more useful on a webpage on the site and referenced. You're probably thinking I'm trying to be awkward and defensive but honestly I'm not. I want this to work as much as you and what is uppermost in my mind here is the added benefit this could provide for the MoQ - and I believe it could be considerable. This seems to be your intent also so hopefully we can work together to get this moving. One thing that does worry me somewhat at the moment (possibly groundlessly) is the dependence the WIKI system has w.r.t Microsoft and their methodologies. Do you happen to know how much of the system is MS based, how much has some other proprietary basis and how much is Open Source (or at the very least Open Standard based). Anyway, it's 1:30 am I've been up since 7:30 yesterday morning and I'm knackered so I'm off to get stoned listen to some nice music have a drink, read a book and then go to bed - and not necessarily in that order. :^) Looking forward to hearing from you Horse MOQ.ORG - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_focus/ MF Queries - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from moq_focus follow the instructions at: http://www.moq.org/mf/subscribe.html
