There's also the issue of the student's development - when I was teaching in a resource room 20 years ago I worked extensively with a student on his multiplication facts. For more than a year we reviewed with many varied ways with seemingly little or no progress. All of a sudden they all came at once - almost over night. Some students aren't ready to learn something just because the experts say that's when they're ready to learn it and supposed to learn it. This is true with all subjects.
Sue Maiers smai...@gsl.k12.mn.us - school maie...@hotmail.com - phone, everywhere "While we may not be able to control all that happens to us, we can control what happens inside us." -Benjamin Franklin > To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > From: kea...@aol.com > Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 21:10:27 -0400 > Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] "Better" reading instruction...sigh... > > When a middle schooler or high school student is reading on an elementary > level, It's easy to assume that somebody below didnt do it "right" . But as > an elementary teacher, I just need to say that we bust our butts on those > students who are below grade level. We meet with them daily in small group > and and are always hovering by their desks to help them with added support. > We provide them with as much intensive support as availalbe from reading > teachers,we work with parents, set up before and after school buddy pals, and > nightly send home books at their level for them to practice and now with RTI. > probably spend triple the amount of time planning lessons and assessing these > students as we do our grade level or advanced student. > > We take so much abuse from the "political public" about how all we need is > good teaching and all will be right with the students. > I have to caution you not to buy into this. Students who struggle learning to > read have many and varied causes, and we have yet to find the cause or "cure" > for all of them. Please, dont play the bashing game and blame the other guy. > Chances are, your own success with these kiddos will be as limited. > > Kathy > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Denise Diana Saddler <ddavi...@fau.edu> > To: Mosaic: A Reading Comprehension Strategies Email Group > <mosaic@literacyworkshop.org>; write <wr...@centurytel.net> > Sent: Thu, Jul 21, 2011 7:15 pm > Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] "Better" reading instruction...sigh... > > > Hi Jan > I am glad you ask that question about the hypothetical 8th grader who > currently > read on a 4th grade level what can we do. Well just to inform you I currently > teach intensive reading for middle school students 6-8th grade and many of > them > do read on an elementary grade level. Our school has a block schedule in > which > students goes to three classes on one day and three different classes on the > next (alternating class), which also include extra-curricular activities. The > students who have my class, have there required classes, such as Language > Arts, > Math, etc..., but because they have Intensive Reading they do not get > extra-curricular activities instead they see me every day of the week not > only > on alternate days. By the way our school is an “A” school again this year, > thank God. I believe that if schools would take the initiative and make sure > that a child receive all the help necessary for the child to be able to read > on > grade level before they are move on to the next grade or take drastic action > to > make sure that the child catch up to their reading grade level then we will > have > less student in the 8th grade reading on a 4th grade level. It is not easy, > trust me I have the real deal, the 8th graders who do read on a very low > level > but was just pass on through the system; but, it is possible if the school > work > as a team. > > Denise D. Saddler > > > > I'd love to hear from you all about what intervention you think an 8th > > grader who reads at the 4th grade level needs. Remember that this > > student will be starting high school soon. (This is a hypothetical > > student, but I have had students like this in the past.) > > Jan > > > > > > Quoting Denise Diana Saddler <ddavi...@fau.edu>: > > > I agree with the fact that if a child is unable to read by the 3rd grade > then > > > the child should be taking out of extra curricular activities for one > > > year > in > > > order to catch up on the reading instruction necessary for the child to be > > > successful. Many statistics has proven that if the child can read on > > > grade level > > > then he or she have a higher chances of passing test in other areas; > > > examples, > > > math and science. Other area that is affected when a child cannot > > > read is the > > > child's behavior when he or she cannot complete class work or homework > > > assignments, also the child's self confidence. Yes, a child should be > > > given > > > extra reading instruction for a minimum of one year in order to > > > decrease all the > > > other negative possibilities that can take place if the child is just > > > moved > > > through the system. > > > > > > Denise Saddler > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Mosaic mailing list > > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org > > > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mosaic mailing list > Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org > To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to > http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org > > Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive > _______________________________________________ Mosaic mailing list Mosaic@literacyworkshop.org To unsubscribe or modify your membership please go to http://literacyworkshop.org/mailman/options/mosaic_literacyworkshop.org Search the MOSAIC archives at http://snipurl.com/MosaicArchive
