such good advice.  I strongly agree.
Sally
On Feb 18, 2013, at 9:28 AM, suzie herb wrote:

> What is the level of English I wonder that your school accepts in taking in 
> ELL students?  Is there a 'standard' that is being met before students are 
> being admitted?  What is the ELL testing before the students enter?  It takes 
> seven years for a non-English speaker to develop the level of academic 
> vocabulary to be on an par with native English speakers so yes we are 
> expecting so much if we expect these kids to even sit SATs.  There are a 
> number of strategies that you can try in supporting them.  The first is to 
> request from teachers key unit vocabulary.  The students can then use Google 
> translate to translate the words or some other tool to determine what the 
> Engish word is and to be familiar with it.  It would be expected that the 
> school is offering some sort of support in terms of a 'differentiated' 
> instruction program to support these kids.   Text books with detailed 
> pictures, diagrams, headings.  Where possible diagrams should be drawn on
> whitebaords with vocabulary and the explanation of concepts.   It would be 
> really helpful if the students could have all presentations/slideshows used 
> after the classes and that they be allowed to use IT to record lessons for 
> later review.  It is also important that the students are able to discuss 
> their understanding in their 'own language' with each other to build their 
> understanding of what is being taught...and no this does not go against 
> supporting the English program but in the end will support it.  If the kids 
> are being taught a 'curriculum' we have to make the arrangements for them to 
> be supported in that the best way.   The assessments need to be tailored to 
> show understanding and not English ability.   The most difficult task for any 
> ELL student is to speak and you might actually be surprised at how much is 
> understood by the reading but the difficulty is in conveying the 
> understanding.   Where possible I would supply the kids with taped
> books to listen to the language and read, just right reading level materials 
> to work with fluency and there are a never ending supply of websites that 
> could be used independently.  I would be strongly encouraging your 
> administration to look at hiring teachers to work with these kids and for 
> there to be an understanding set with parents about what the outcomes that 
> can really be expected are.  Good luck!!
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Michelle Parascandola <plongsh...@aol.com>
> To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org 
> Sent: Monday, 18 February 2013 3:10 PM
> Subject: [MOSAIC] ELL Asian High school students
> 
> I am a newly hired literacy teacher for a K-12 private school. While I've 
> worked with reading remediation for grades K-8 and occasional work with 
> American high schoolers, this school has had a large influx of Chinese and 
> Korean students in grades 9-12. They are literate in their own languages but 
> their English (spoken) is pretty choppy and their reading levels in English 
> seem pretty low. How can I best support them in the high school English 
> classroom when there are no ESL supports and a strict curriculum to adhere 
> to? Is it realistic to expect them to perform well on SAT's after only 2 or 
> so years here? 
> Thanks in advance for your support!
> 
> 
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> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 19:59:08 -0600
> From: Amy McGovern <mcgovern_amy64042...@hotmail.com>
> To: mosaic listerve 2 <mosaic@literacyworkshop.org>
> Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] DIBELS online
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> We use DIBELS 6th edition to progress monitor. It has worked well for us, 
> kindergarten through 5th grade.  The Online tool is very nice because it will 
> help you see if what you are doing is actually working. For example, if the 
> data 
> begins to flat line, the online progress monitoring graph marks it with a 
> yellow 
> dot.  And if it flat lines too long, the dot will turn red and suggest that a 
> change be made. These added measures help teachers determine if they should 
> increase time, switch the focus to a different skill, dig deeper with other 
> diagnostic measures...etc.  Again, as a progress monitoring tool, it has been 
> a 
> helpful tool, especially when used in conjunction with other data.  Again, 
> DIBELS doesn't tell you what to do, but it will help you recognize if what 
> you 
> are doing is working or not.
> 
> 
> As an aside, we were going to move to DIBELS Next, but there has been quite a 
> bit of controversy stirring out there regarding the test and the newly 
> altered 
> cut scores.  As a result, we have decided not to make a switch right now.  I 
> highly recommend watching the Webinar from the DIBELS University of Oregon 
> Center for Teaching and Learning.  
> https://dibels.uoregon.edu/news/#122012_webinar_announcement.  
> It's fairly short, and very informative on the DIBELS Next issues.  
> 
> DIBELS 6th Edition and DIBELS Next are not the same thing.  6th edition was 
> created by a non-profit. It has lots of research and reliability behind it, 
> though I'm sure other great or even better Universal Screens exist--6th 
> edition 
> has worked well for us.  DIBELS Next was created by Dynamic Measurement 
> Group, a 
> for profit company.  6th and  Next are two entirely different tests--not to 
> be 
> lumped together under one umbrella.  
> 
> Ok, hope this helps.  Good luck to you.
> 
> Amy McGovern
> Reading Specialist 
> Wausau, WI
> 
> 
>> From: ccca...@yahoo.com
>> Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 09:54:03 -0500
>> To: mosaic@literacyworkshop.org
>> Subject: Re: [MOSAIC] DIBELS online
>> 
>> We've used it for a few years now first on palm pilots and now on net books. 
>>  
> I think it is pretty easy to use but like I said I've used it for a while.  
> My 
> problem is not using the online stuff.  It's by the time they get to third 
> grade 
> (which is what I teach) fluency to them is only reading fast. So I REALLY 
> focus 
> on all the components of fluency.  We do DIBELS K-3 and some in fourth.
>> A few years ago when you got online the site told you how long it had been 
> between progress monitorings, now it takes a bit more doing to find it.... 
> just 
> a minor annoyance but when every minute counts in the classroom it's a pain!
>> 
>> Hope this helps!!  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Jan 27, 2013, at 7:38 AM, twinklesweetstarz <harrisonsmom...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> 
>>> I could use some help. Has anyone used DIBELS progress monitoring--the
>>> online component? Our school just purchased it but I have not had a chance
>>> to log in yet. Can anyone tell me what they think about it? Any pros/cons?
>>> Is it easy for our teachers to use to progress monitor?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Tina :)
>>> www.mommycomplex.blogspot.com
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