I just downloaded and installed (I think) a version called Beta4. I followed the instructions on the quick start and got to running the align script which then bombs out because the VERSION variable isn't set to what it should be. Setting that to something sensible it now looks like the Berkeley aligner is aligning the suggested data from WMT-08.
I note that the instructions guide you to download an old version of corenlp and don't give any compilation instructions. Just wget and tar xzf and that's it. I'm not convinced that this means corenlp is actually 'installed' or that phrasal is using it in any way. Please correct me if you know better. thanks, James ________________________________ From: Daniel Cer [daniel....@gmail.com] Sent: 05 November 2013 18:20 To: Read, James C Cc: Matthias Huck; moses-support@mit.edu Subject: Re: [Moses-support] gappy phrases Hi James, > I can't get past installation. I posted on the mailing list. But nobody > answered. I'm sorry your question wasn't answered on the JavaNLP mailing list. It looks like release 3.2 of Phrasal is now known to be broken. The link should should be updated soon to a working version. Dan On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 5:33 AM, Read, James C <jcr...@essex.ac.uk<mailto:jcr...@essex.ac.uk>> wrote: I can't get past installation. I posted on the mailing list. But nobody answered. ________________________________________ From: moses-support-boun...@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support-boun...@mit.edu> [moses-support-boun...@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support-boun...@mit.edu>] on behalf of Matthias Huck [mh...@inf.ed.ac.uk<mailto:mh...@inf.ed.ac.uk>] Sent: 05 November 2013 13:15 To: moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support@mit.edu> Subject: Re: [Moses-support] gappy phrases Hi James, the Phrasal toolkit is freely available as well [http://nlp.stanford.edu/phrasal/], so why don't you consider extracting discontinuous phrases using Stanford's original implementation? Cheers, Matthias On Tue, 2013-11-05 at 07:29 +0000, Read, James C wrote: > Interesting. > > This isn't going to be an issue for the kind of experiments I will be > running, though. I won't be using a language model or a reordering > model or a beam search during decoding (I know, not much of Moses > left). My main usage of 'Moses' at the moment is training translation > models so I can run experiments with 'units of translation' in > isolation from other variables in the system (language model, > reordering model, beam search). I would really like to be able to run > some experiments also with discontinuous phrases both source side and > target side. > > Any idea what kind of changes I would need to make to the training > process to be able to learn these kind of transformations? I suppose > I'm also going to need to modify the operation of the translation > model to get these working as well. > > thanks, > James > > ________________________________ > From: moses-support-boun...@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support-boun...@mit.edu> > [moses-support-boun...@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support-boun...@mit.edu>] on > behalf of Daniel Cer [daniel....@gmail.com<mailto:daniel....@gmail.com>] > Sent: 04 November 2013 19:43 > To: Kenneth Heafield > Cc: moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support@mit.edu> > Subject: Re: [Moses-support] gappy phrases > > Hi everyone, > > Ken and I just spoke about this. > > Here's a quick synopsis of our semi-recent experience at Stanford with > discontinuous/gappy phrases: > > * Source side gaps are effectively free and don't really degrade decoding > time. > * Target side gaps are fine for smaller beam sizes (e.g., < 200). > * When using large beams, our current implementation slows down > dramatically. For example, with a stack size of 500, I think it was sometimes > taking over an hour to translate some sentences. > > While discontinuous phrases can moderately increase the BLEU score, but we > get a bigger increase by just using very large beam sizes. > > Dan > > > > On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 8:34 PM, Kenneth Heafield > <mo...@kheafield.com<mailto:mo...@kheafield.com><mailto:mo...@kheafield.com<mailto:mo...@kheafield.com>>> > wrote: > Hi, > > I'll throw in the anecdote that gappy phrases are currently not in use > at Stanford. My predecessor told me that it took a lot longer and only > improved BLEU slightly on Chinese-English. But it's also possible that > something didn't get passed down correctly from Michel to my predecessor > to me. . . > > Kenneth > > On 11/03/13 14:18, Read, James C wrote: > > My understanding is that they used a similar approach as the grammar > > extraction to extract the gappy phrases. Would it be a massive undertaking > > to get Moses to support this? > > > > James > > ________________________________________ > > From: Barry Haddow > > [bhad...@staffmail.ed.ac.uk<mailto:bhad...@staffmail.ed.ac.uk><mailto:bhad...@staffmail.ed.ac.uk<mailto:bhad...@staffmail.ed.ac.uk>>] > > Sent: 30 October 2013 09:26 > > To: Read, James C > > Cc: > > moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support@mit.edu><mailto:moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support@mit.edu>> > > Subject: Re: [Moses-support] gappy phrases > > > > No, but it does support hiero and syntax models. > > > > On 29/10/13 22:23, Read, James C wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> does anybody know if Moses supports gappy phrases > >> http://www-nlp.stanford.edu/pubs/naacl10-discontinuous_phrases.pdf > >> > >> James > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Moses-support mailing list > >> Moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:Moses-support@mit.edu><mailto:Moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:Moses-support@mit.edu>> > >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support > >> > > > > > > -- > > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Moses-support mailing list > > Moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:Moses-support@mit.edu><mailto:Moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:Moses-support@mit.edu>> > > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support > > > _______________________________________________ > Moses-support mailing list > Moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:Moses-support@mit.edu><mailto:Moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:Moses-support@mit.edu>> > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support > > > _______________________________________________ > Moses-support mailing list > Moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:Moses-support@mit.edu> > http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support > -- The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. _______________________________________________ Moses-support mailing list Moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:Moses-support@mit.edu> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support _______________________________________________ Moses-support mailing list Moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:Moses-support@mit.edu> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support _______________________________________________ Moses-support mailing list Moses-support@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support
