Hi Ulrich, I have a question about Moses server too. I'm testing it as a wrapper for Across server to check pre-translation possibilities. It generally works but there is one problem. Input segments are translated without tokenization, so every word close to special character (for example `this is small house.`) remains untranslated ('to jest mały house.'). I was searching list archive and I found similar question here: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.nlp.moses.user/14020 but for me it's not yet answered. I would appreciate any information on this subject.
Best regards, Tomek -----Original Message----- From: moses-support-boun...@mit.edu [mailto:moses-support-boun...@mit.edu] On Behalf Of moses-support-requ...@mit.edu Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 10:31 AM To: moses-support@mit.edu Subject: Moses-support Digest, Vol 109, Issue 19 Send Moses-support mailing list submissions to moses-support@mit.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to moses-support-requ...@mit.edu You can reach the person managing the list at moses-support-ow...@mit.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Moses-support digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: use placeholder with mosesserver (Ulrich Germann) 2. Re: use placeholder with mosesserver (Evgeny Matusov) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 01:58:40 +0000 From: Ulrich Germann <ulrich.germ...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Moses-support] use placeholder with mosesserver To: Evgeny Matusov <ematu...@apptek.com> Cc: "moses-support@mit.edu" <moses-support@mit.edu> Message-ID: <cahqsruojzbwqie_+1-si7i7e1cmyt3tq4gcfl-2ge2bggd6...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi all, I've just pushed what I believe might address a few of the issues in this thread: - the more fine-grained configuration options for request handling and queuing, server timeouts etc. (added in August due to threading issue) have been transferred to the main moses executable. - the server now pays attention to the xml-input option specified via json; the range of accepted values is the same as when specified on the command line. I have not written the xml-input handling and do not actively use it, so it may or may not work. I don't think there are any regression tests that test this right now. Reports from the trenches are welcome. - mosesserver.cpp is deprecated. It is now merely a shell around the regular moses call with --server. I did not remove it from the code base entirely, as I assume that there's a plethora of setups out there that rely on the existence of mosesserver. What the wrapper does is add --server to the options and then call run regular moses. - anyone adding stuff to mosesserver.cpp from now on owes me a lifetime supply of the finest Laphroaig. Just send me a quarter cask every year for Burns Nicht for the rest of my life if you do. If I haven't pushed anything for two years, you may assume I'm dead. - Uli On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Ulrich Germann <ulrich.germ...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > mosesserver is deprecated and should not be used any more. I'll > transfer the threading-related changes to the server implementation in > the regular moses executable and let you know once I'm done so that > other things (like > passthrough) can be added. By the looks of it, the changes are fairly > straightforward, so it shouldn't take long. However, I can't guarantee > that the new server will do everything the old server did, (or do it > the same way). > > It would be fantastic if a few people could design and contribute test > cases so that we can do some regression testing for the server. > Ideally a test case should provide: > > - tiny models to work with (or we may be able to recycle some that > already > exist) > - sample input (json) > - expected output (json) > > Cheers - Uli > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Evgeny Matusov <ematu...@apptek.com> > wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> can any of the more active recent developers advise what is the >> latest stable mosesserver implementation? >> >> It seems to be the one in moses/server, but the one in in >> contrib/server/mosesserver.cpp has been updated in August of this >> year with an important fix related to multiple threads: >> >> >> https://github.com/moses-smt/mosesdecoder/commit/3c682fa8b05af6bff1a0 >> 9f420141795875cf9685 >> https://www.mail-archive.com/moses-support%40mit.edu/msg12875.html >> >> As Gregor mentioned, we would like to share our fix so that >> Mosesserver correctly supports placeholders. I want to make sure that >> this is a fix for something that many people use without problems. >> >> Thanks, >> Evgeny. >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: moses-support-boun...@mit.edu <moses-support-boun...@mit.edu> >> on behalf of moses-support-requ...@mit.edu >> <moses-support-requ...@mit.edu> >> Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 6:02 PM >> To: moses-support@mit.edu >> Subject: Moses-support Digest, Vol 109, Issue 16 >> >> Send Moses-support mailing list submissions to >> moses-support@mit.edu >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> moses-support-requ...@mit.edu >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> moses-support-ow...@mit.edu >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Moses-support digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Question about output alignment info (Marta Ruiz) >> 2. Re: use placeholder with mosesserver (Leusch, Gregor) >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 16:10:26 +0100 >> From: Marta Ruiz <martaruizcostaju...@gmail.com> >> Subject: [Moses-support] Question about output alignment info >> To: moses-support@mit.edu >> Message-ID: >> <CABEBqHLL= >> vrajg5btd3amfvmhpcynda3nj-0ynyqwf3xuzd...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi all, >> >> When I use the option "-alignment-output-file [file]", I get just a >> few alignments. Most sentences are in blank, except some that have >> one alignment... >> >> best, >> Marta >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Marta Ruiz Costa-juss? >> martaruizcostaju...@gmail.com >> http://www.costa-jussa.com >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was >> scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/private/moses-support/attachments/2015 >> 1109/4da5ec6d/attachment-0001.html >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 15:37:32 +0000 >> From: "Leusch, Gregor" <gleu...@ebay.com> >> Subject: Re: [Moses-support] use placeholder with mosesserver >> To: Vito Mandorino <vito.mandor...@linguacustodia.com>, moses-support >> <moses-support@mit.edu> >> Message-ID: <d2667743.9f24%gleu...@ebay.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi, >> >> we saw the same issue a while ago in an older version of Moses. >> Mosesserver and moses use different routines to parse the input >> string; in particular the code in mosesserver did not parse >> placeholders input correctly. It seems to me that this is fixed in >> the most recent version of mosesserver (though I have not tested >> this; I just looked at the code); in addition, our team is currently >> discussing whether it makes sense to make available our patches to >> the mosesserver code either on the version we are using, or on a more recent version, available end of this week. >> >> Best, >> >> Gregor >> >> >> >> >> From: >> <moses-support-boun...@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support-boun...@mit.edu>> >> on behalf of Vito Mandorino <vito.mandor...@linguacustodia.com<mailto: >> vito.mandor...@linguacustodia.com>> >> Date: Friday 6 November 2015 16:22 >> To: moses-support >> <moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support@mit.edu>> >> Subject: [Moses-support] use placeholder with mosesserver >> >> Dear all, >> >> I have been unsuccessful so far in using the placeholder approach >> with mosesserver. The translated segments contain the placeholder >> token @num@ instead of numbers. >> Do you know how to get the numbers in the output? >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Vito Mandorino >> >> >> -- >> M. Vito MANDORINO -- Chief Scientist >> >> >> [Description?: Description?: lingua_custodia_final full logo] >> >> The Translation Trustee >> >> 1, Place Charles de Gaulle, 78180 Montigny-le-Bretonneux >> >> Tel : +33 1 30 44 04 23 Mobile : +33 6 84 65 68 89 >> >> Email : vito.mandor...@linguacustodia.com<mailto: >> massinissa.ah...@linguacustodia.com> >> >> Website : www.linguacustodia.com<http://www.linguacustodia.com/> - >> www.thetranslationtrustee.com <http://www.thetranslationtrustee.com/> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was >> scrubbed... >> URL: >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/private/moses-support/attachments/2015 >> 1109/c046c74c/attachment-0001.html >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was >> scrubbed... >> Name: image001.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 4421 bytes >> Desc: image001.jpg >> Url : >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/private/moses-support/attachments/2015 >> 1109/c046c74c/attachment-0001.jpg >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moses-support mailing list >> Moses-support@mit.edu >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support >> >> >> End of Moses-support Digest, Vol 109, Issue 16 >> ********************************************** >> _______________________________________________ >> Moses-support mailing list >> Moses-support@mit.edu >> http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support >> >> > > > -- > Ulrich Germann > Senior Researcher > School of Informatics > University of Edinburgh > -- Ulrich Germann Senior Researcher School of Informatics University of Edinburgh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/private/moses-support/attachments/20151110/67 5c857b/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 09:30:21 +0000 From: Evgeny Matusov <ematu...@apptek.com> Subject: Re: [Moses-support] use placeholder with mosesserver To: "ugerm...@inf.ed.ac.uk" <ugerm...@inf.ed.ac.uk> Cc: "moses-support@mit.edu" <moses-support@mit.edu> Message-ID: <bn3pr08mb19850f1df1b9303939007bc7ac...@bn3pr08mb1985.namprd08.prod.outlook. com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi Uli, thanks a lot! We will try to add some test cases for Mosesserver, including XML input with/without placeholders. Best, Evgeny. ________________________________ From: Ulrich Germann <ulrich.germ...@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 2:58 AM To: Evgeny Matusov Cc: moses-support@mit.edu Subject: Re: [Moses-support] use placeholder with mosesserver Hi all, I've just pushed what I believe might address a few of the issues in this thread: - the more fine-grained configuration options for request handling and queuing, server timeouts etc. (added in August due to threading issue) have been transferred to the main moses executable. - the server now pays attention to the xml-input option specified via json; the range of accepted values is the same as when specified on the command line. I have not written the xml-input handling and do not actively use it, so it may or may not work. I don't think there are any regression tests that test this right now. Reports from the trenches are welcome. - mosesserver.cpp is deprecated. It is now merely a shell around the regular moses call with --server. I did not remove it from the code base entirely, as I assume that there's a plethora of setups out there that rely on the existence of mosesserver. What the wrapper does is add --server to the options and then call run regular moses. - anyone adding stuff to mosesserver.cpp from now on owes me a lifetime supply of the finest Laphroaig. Just send me a quarter cask every year for Burns Nicht for the rest of my life if you do. If I haven't pushed anything for two years, you may assume I'm dead. - Uli On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Ulrich Germann <ulrich.germ...@gmail.com<mailto:ulrich.germ...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi all, mosesserver is deprecated and should not be used any more. I'll transfer the threading-related changes to the server implementation in the regular moses executable and let you know once I'm done so that other things (like passthrough) can be added. By the looks of it, the changes are fairly straightforward, so it shouldn't take long. However, I can't guarantee that the new server will do everything the old server did, (or do it the same way). It would be fantastic if a few people could design and contribute test cases so that we can do some regression testing for the server. Ideally a test case should provide: - tiny models to work with (or we may be able to recycle some that already exist) - sample input (json) - expected output (json) Cheers - Uli On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Evgeny Matusov <ematu...@apptek.com<mailto:ematu...@apptek.com>> wrote: Hi, can any of the more active recent developers advise what is the latest stable mosesserver implementation? It seems to be the one in moses/server, but the one in in contrib/server/mosesserver.cpp has been updated in August of this year with an important fix related to multiple threads: https://github.com/moses-smt/mosesdecoder/commit/3c682fa8b05af6bff1a09f42014 1795875cf9685 https://www.mail-archive.com/moses-support%40mit.edu/msg12875.html As Gregor mentioned, we would like to share our fix so that Mosesserver correctly supports placeholders. I want to make sure that this is a fix for something that many people use without problems. Thanks, Evgeny. ________________________________________ From: moses-support-boun...@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support-boun...@mit.edu> <moses-support-boun...@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support-boun...@mit.edu>> on behalf of moses-support-requ...@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support-requ...@mit.edu> <moses-support-requ...@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support-requ...@mit.edu>> Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 6:02 PM To: moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support@mit.edu> Subject: Moses-support Digest, Vol 109, Issue 16 Send Moses-support mailing list submissions to moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support@mit.edu> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/moses-support or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to moses-support-requ...@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support-requ...@mit.edu> You can reach the person managing the list at moses-support-ow...@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support-ow...@mit.edu> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Moses-support digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Question about output alignment info (Marta Ruiz) 2. Re: use placeholder with mosesserver (Leusch, Gregor) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 16:10:26 +0100 From: Marta Ruiz <martaruizcostaju...@gmail.com<mailto:martaruizcostaju...@gmail.com>> Subject: [Moses-support] Question about output alignment info To: moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support@mit.edu> Message-ID: <CABEBqHLL=vrajg5btd3amfvmhpcynda3nj-0ynyqwf3xuzd...@mail.gmail.com<mailto:V rajg5btd3amfvmhpcynda3nj-0ynyqwf3xuzd...@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi all, When I use the option "-alignment-output-file [file]", I get just a few alignments. Most sentences are in blank, except some that have one alignment... best, Marta -- Marta Ruiz Costa-juss? martaruizcostaju...@gmail.com<mailto:martaruizcostaju...@gmail.com> http://www.costa-jussa.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/private/moses-support/attachments/20151109/4d a5ec6d/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 15:37:32 +0000 From: "Leusch, Gregor" <gleu...@ebay.com<mailto:gleu...@ebay.com>> Subject: Re: [Moses-support] use placeholder with mosesserver To: Vito Mandorino <vito.mandor...@linguacustodia.com<mailto:vito.mandor...@linguacustodia.com> >, moses-support <moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support@mit.edu>> Message-ID: <d2667743.9f24%gleu...@ebay.com<mailto:d2667743.9f24%25gleu...@ebay.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi, we saw the same issue a while ago in an older version of Moses. Mosesserver and moses use different routines to parse the input string; in particular the code in mosesserver did not parse placeholders input correctly. It seems to me that this is fixed in the most recent version of mosesserver (though I have not tested this; I just looked at the code); in addition, our team is currently discussing whether it makes sense to make available our patches to the mosesserver code either on the version we are using, or on a more recent version, available end of this week. Best, Gregor From: <moses-support-boun...@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support-boun...@mit.edu><mailto: moses-support-boun...@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support-boun...@mit.edu>>> on behalf of Vito Mandorino <vito.mandor...@linguacustodia.com<mailto:vito.mandor...@linguacustodia.com> <mailto:vito.mandor...@linguacustodia.com<mailto:vito.mandorino@linguacustod ia.com>>> Date: Friday 6 November 2015 16:22 To: moses-support <moses-support@mit.edu<mailto:moses-support@mit.edu><mailto:moses-support@mi t.edu<mailto:moses-support@mit.edu>>> Subject: [Moses-support] use placeholder with mosesserver Dear all, I have been unsuccessful so far in using the placeholder approach with mosesserver. The translated segments contain the placeholder token @num@ instead of numbers. Do you know how to get the numbers in the output? Many thanks, Vito Mandorino -- M. 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