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I am sure many on this list really don't care to much about the recent = changes of the Minn. List. I am also fairly confident that these same = people don't care about MOURC. A Gyrfalcon going from regular to casual was probably a long debate = among the MOURC members since most winter years there are gyr sightings = either migrating by Hawk Ridge in Nov, a sighting in the Duluth harbor = or an individual seen in NW Minn. I would guess that the comparison of = this bird to the Smith Longspur was used in the arguments as well. The = Smith stayed on the regular list and the other got demoted. =20 I am in favor of what the committee did to the King Rail. Guessing that = there are King Rails nesting in Minnesota is like guessing there are = nesting individuals of Dippers in northern Minnesota. ( some believe = they do nest in Minnesota) Till there comes a time that King Rails do = actually nest in Minnesota, I strongly feel the King Rail should be = added to the accidental group. As far as the Northern Bobwhite change to exterminated, I would agree = and support this decision the MOURC made on this. How does this effect = the listing game? Well if you saw a Bobwhite in SE Minnesota prior to = 2004 the bird will stay on your list anytime now it does not. I know, I = know some on the listserve are going to shake there heads and say = "what"? Till there is some better knowledge on thier reproductive = success, releasing numbers in SE Minnesota by organized groups and other = factors to prove them they are wild birds that can survive and keep = there numbers up than they should remain on the exterminated list. Just = my opinion. Also remember you can do WHATEVER you DARN feel like it with your list. = There are no listing police over looking your shoulder to see what is on = your list. IF IF you want them published in the MOU listing supplement = than your list will have to go by whatever listing rules are used or in = place for listers and thier lists. I know for a fact the majority of MOU members are not strong competitive = listers or active listers that follow recent lumps in species or splits = in species. So this post might be as interesting as stale noodles! What gets me is there are some good folks on the MOU Records Committee = that do a bang up job! For those that follow every MOURC move and are = very critical of what they do, I would suggest that you attend a MOURC = meeting and see first hand what they do. They are not a bunch of guys or = woman ( sorry Ann) that want to try to make your birding a terrible = experience or do things underground to ruin the fun of some! They are = trying to do what is best for Minnesota Birds, there history, trends, = and etc.. Give them a break. Also there are TERM LIMITS for everyone = except the chair ( unless that was changed?) but most every year there = is a open spot for one to be part of the committee. Is it swinging = doorway when the same people leave and same people get back on? = NOOOOOOOOO look at all the new faces in there! All the old faces decline = to re enter themselves back in because many of them wanted to see new = faces on the committee. =20 I just don't understand some of the out cry by some that slammed thier = heads against the wall and cried " WHYYYY do they do this"??? " They = need to explain themselves NOW"!! Man if I ever had to explain = everything I did with the MOU Field Trips I would just lose it and quit. = All these decisions were not done in a few seconds and from what I was = told there was a lot of debate before a decision was made on each = change. So relax. take a breath and realize things are going to be all = right. I thank MOURC for all there hard work they do! You know at one time I = was a hard critic of them and after attending there meetings and = listening to a 2 hour discussion on Eurasian collared-Doves and = Great-tail Grackles I am glad I found the MOU Field Trip position. I = would than be the one slamming my head against wall crying " WHYYYYY" if = I was a MOURC member! hahahah Peace! Mike H ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3F649.7CED7C50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1276" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am sure many on this list really = don't care to=20 much about the recent changes of the Minn. List. I am also fairly = confident that=20 these same people don't care about MOURC.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A Gyrfalcon going from regular to = casual was=20 probably a long debate among the MOURC members since most winter years = there are=20 gyr sightings either migrating by Hawk Ridge in Nov, a sighting in the = Duluth=20 harbor or an individual seen in NW Minn. I would guess that the = comparison=20 of this bird to the Smith Longspur was used in the arguments as well. = The Smith=20 stayed on the regular list and the other got demoted. = </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am in favor of what the committee did = to the King=20 Rail. Guessing that there are King Rails nesting in Minnesota is like = guessing=20 there are nesting individuals of Dippers in northern Minnesota. ( some = believe=20 they do nest in Minnesota) Till there comes a time that King Rails do = actually=20 nest in Minnesota, I strongly feel the King Rail should be added to = the=20 accidental group.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As far as the Northern Bobwhite change = to=20 exterminated, I would agree and support this decision the MOURC made on = this.=20 How does this effect the listing game? Well if you saw a Bobwhite in SE=20 Minnesota prior to 2004 the bird will stay on your list anytime now it = does not.=20 I know, I know some on the listserve are going to shake there heads and = say=20 "what"? Till there is some better knowledge on thier reproductive = success,=20 releasing numbers in SE Minnesota by organized groups and other factors = to prove=20 them they are wild birds that can survive and keep there numbers up than = they=20 should remain on the exterminated list. Just my opinion.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also remember you can do WHATEVER you = DARN feel=20 like it with your list. There are no listing police over looking your = shoulder=20 to see what is on your list. IF IF you want them published in the MOU = listing=20 supplement than your list will have to go by whatever listing rules are = used or=20 in place for listers and thier lists.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I know for a fact the majority of MOU = members are=20 not strong competitive listers or active listers that follow recent = lumps in=20 species or splits in species. So this post might be as interesting as = stale=20 noodles!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What gets me is there are some good = folks on the=20 MOU Records Committee that do a bang up job! For those that follow every = MOURC=20 move and are very critical of what they do, I would suggest that you = attend a=20 MOURC meeting and see first hand what they do. They are not a bunch of = guys or=20 woman ( sorry Ann) that want to try to make your birding a terrible = experience=20 or do things underground to ruin the fun of some! They are trying to do = what is=20 best for Minnesota Birds, there history, trends, and etc.. Give them a = break.=20 Also there are TERM LIMITS for everyone except the chair ( unless that = was=20 changed?) but most every year there is a open spot for one to be part of = the=20 committee. Is it swinging doorway when the same people leave and = same=20 people get back on? NOOOOOOOOO look at all the new faces in there! All = the old=20 faces decline to re enter themselves back in because many of them wanted = to see=20 new faces on the committee. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I just don't understand some of the out = cry by some=20 that slammed thier heads against the wall and cried " WHYYYY do they do = this"???=20 " They need to explain themselves NOW"!! Man if I ever had to = explain=20 everything I did with the MOU Field Trips I would just lose it and quit. = All=20 these decisions were not done in a few seconds and from what I was told = there=20 was a lot of debate before a decision was made on each change. So relax. = take a=20 breath and realize things are going to be all right.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I thank MOURC for all there hard work = they=20 do! You know at one time I was a hard critic of them and after = attending=20 there meetings and listening to a 2 hour discussion on Eurasian=20 collared-Doves and Great-tail Grackles I am glad I found the MOU Field = Trip=20 position. I would than be the one slamming my head against wall crying " = WHYYYYY" if I was a MOURC member! hahahah</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Peace!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mike H</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C3F649.7CED7C50--