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--=__PartE6C5FDA5.0__= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The following information taken from the web page Ocean Wanderers presents = how to separate common snipe (Eurasian species) from Wilson's Snipe (N = American): =20 Separation from Common Snipe=20 -------------------------------------------------- =20 (1) As a whole, Wilson's Snipe is usually colder toned than Common Snipe = but has a darker brown on the mantle.=20 (2) The underparts are much whiter and paler.=20 (3) The scapular feathers of Wilson's Snipe have relatively narrow white = fringes.=20 (4) The tertials are dark and finely marked with gradually fading = transverse bars.=20 (5) The lesser and median coverts are intricately patterned with white-tipp= ed dark-centred feathers, which contrast with the dark blackish-brown = greater covert bar.=20 (6) The head pattern is similar but the rear supercilium tends to be = narrower on Wilson's Snipe and broadens more in front of the eye.=20 (7) Wilson's Snipe is rather coarsely patterned on the neck sides with a = brown-ginger wash mostly confined to the mid and upper breast.=20 (8) The flank barring in Wilson's Snipe is very striking and quite = extensive which is pronounced by the white background coloration of the = flanks, which are usually buff-brown in Common Snipe.=20 (9) Wilson's Snipe usually has 16 tail feathers. Common Snipe usually have = 14 tail feathers, although occasionally 16 or 18.=20 (10) In Wilson's Snipe the outer tail feathers are white with black bars = and are less well-defined and duller in Common Snipe.=20 (11) The shape of the tail feather is diagnostic with Wilson's Snipe = showing a more parallel and square-ended tail whereas Common has round-tipp= ed feathers.=20 (12) In flight, Common Snipe shows rather pointed wings.=20 (13) The bill of Common Snipe often looks longer than Wilson's Snipe.=20 (14) Wilson's Snipe has a shorter tail and in flight the toes are visible = just beyond the tail tip.=20 (15) In Wilson's Snipe the white tips to the secondaries are narrower with = broader white tips to the primary coverts.=20 (16) Wilson's Snipe has barred lesser and median underwing-coverts giving = the impression of a darker underwing. =20 I would imagine there might be records for Common Snipe in Alaska, and = possibly some of the northern East Coast states that have had some vagrant = European shorebirds, such as Maine or Massachussetts. I would say it is = 99.999999% unlikely that we will ever have a Common Snipe in Minnesota. =20 Cheers, =20 =20 =20 Chris Fagyal Senior Software Engineer United Defense, L.P. ASD Fridley, MN=20 (763) 572-5320 chris.fag...@udlp.com >>> "MARTELL, Mark" <mmart...@audubon.org> 04/06/2005 14:31:00 PM >>> The AOU Checklist of North American birds (the official keeper of these = things) shows both the Wilson's Snipe (Gallinago delicata) and the Common = Snipe (Gallinag gallinago). Further digging shows that the AOU decided in = 2002 that the Wilson's Snipe was a different species than the Common Snipe = (which occurs in the old world as well) and split it off. Thus some of the = older reference's may not have noted the change. Mark Martell Director of Bird Conservation Audubon Minnesota 2357 Ventura Drive #106 St. Paul, MN 55125 651-739-9332 651-731-1330 (FAX) -----Original Message----- From: mou-net-ad...@cbs.umn.edu [mailto:mou-net-ad...@cbs.umn.edu]on Behalf Of J Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 1:22 PM To: bice0...@umn.edu; mou-...@cbs.umn.edu Subject: RE: [mou] Wilson's Snipe? RQD? >> Common vs. Wilson's Snipe? Sorry, Andy...no answer, but I have similar question for someone/everyone. = =20 My Nat'l Geo Birds 3rd ed. mentions the "Common Snipe" but no Wilson's. = The=20 Sibley Eastern mentions the "Wilson's Snipe", as does the MOU MN birds=20 checklist, but no Common. The Latin species names are different (according= =20 to the two books), though the genus is the same. Are these really the = same=20 bird? Subspecies? Do we only get one kind of snipe in MN? That is, is = a=20 snipe (that would be found in MN) just a snipe? Thanks! Jonathan Ferguson >From: "Andrew D. Bicek" <bice0...@umn.edu> >To: <mou-...@cbs.umn.edu> >Subject: [mou] Wilson's Snipe? RQD? >Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 10:05:19 -0500 > >I was just entering data in the new online field trip report entry = form,=20 >and >I couldn't find the listing for wilson's snipe. I looked under regular, = it >wasn't there, I looked under rare, and it wasn't there. I found it under >all and it needed a request for documentation. What's the deal here? =20 >Snipe >are common, why do we need to formally write them up? > > > >Funny too, is that for Wright county, where I saw the snipe yesterday, = it=20 >is >listed as common on the MOU Wright cty checklist. > > > >Is this perhaps because it recently changed names and needs to be=20 >documented >under the new name? > > > >Andy Bicek > _______________________________________________ mou-net mailing list mou-...@cbs.umn.edu http://cbs.umn.edu/mailman/listinfo/mou-net _______________________________________________ mou-net mailing list mou-...@cbs.umn.edu http://cbs.umn.edu/mailman/listinfo/mou-net --=__PartE6C5FDA5.0__= Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1"= > <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1492" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY style=3D"MARGIN: 4px 4px 1px; FONT: 10pt Microsoft Sans Serif"> <DIV>The following information taken from the web page Ocean Wanderers = presents how to separate common snipe (Eurasian species) from Wilson's = Snipe (N American):</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Separation from Common Snipe <BR>-------------------------------------= -------------</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>(1) As a whole, Wilson's Snipe is usually colder toned than Common = Snipe but has a darker brown on the mantle. <BR>(2) The underparts are = much whiter and paler. <BR>(3) The scapular feathers of Wilson's Snipe = have relatively narrow white fringes. <BR>(4) The tertials are dark and = finely marked with gradually fading transverse bars. <BR>(5) The lesser = and median coverts are intricately patterned with white-tipped dark-centred= feathers, which contrast with the dark blackish-brown greater covert bar. = <BR>(6) The head pattern is similar but the rear supercilium tends to be = narrower on Wilson's Snipe and broadens more in front of the eye. <BR>(7) = Wilson's Snipe is rather coarsely patterned on the neck sides with a = brown-ginger wash mostly confined to the mid and upper breast. <BR>(8) The = flank barring in Wilson's Snipe is very striking and quite extensive which = is pronounced by the white background coloration of the flanks, which are = usually buff-brown in Common Snipe. <BR>(9) Wilson's Snipe usually has 16 = tail feathers. Common Snipe usually have 14 tail feathers, although = occasionally 16 or 18. <BR>(10) In Wilson's Snipe the outer tail feathers = are white with black bars and are less well-defined and duller in Common = Snipe. <BR>(11) The shape of the tail feather is diagnostic with Wilson's = Snipe showing a more parallel and square-ended tail whereas Common has = round-tipped feathers. <BR>(12) In flight, Common Snipe shows rather = pointed wings. <BR>(13) The bill of Common Snipe often looks longer than = Wilson's Snipe. <BR>(14) Wilson's Snipe has a shorter tail and in flight = the toes are visible just beyond the tail tip. <BR>(15) In Wilson's Snipe = the white tips to the secondaries are narrower with broader white tips to = the primary coverts. <BR>(16) Wilson's Snipe has barred lesser and median = underwing-coverts giving the impression of a darker underwing.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I would imagine there might be records for Common Snipe in Alaska, = and possibly some of the northern East Coast states that have had some = vagrant European shorebirds, such as Maine or Massachussetts. I = would say it is 99.999999% unlikely that we will ever have a Common Snipe = in Minnesota.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Cheers,<BR></DIV> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>Chris Fagyal<BR>Senior Software Engineer<BR>United Defense, L.P. = ASD<BR>Fridley, MN <BR>(763) 572-5320<BR><A href=3D"mailto:chris.fag...@udl= p.com">chris.fag...@udlp.com</A></P> <P><BR>>>> "MARTELL, Mark" <mmart...@audubon.org> 04/06/2005= 14:31:00 PM >>><BR></P> <DIV style=3D"COLOR: #000000">The AOU Checklist of North American birds = (the official keeper of these things) shows both the Wilson's Snipe = (Gallinago delicata) and the Common Snipe (Gallinag gallinago). Further = digging shows that the AOU decided in 2002 that the Wilson's Snipe was a = different species than the Common Snipe (which occurs in the old world as = well) and split it off. Thus some of the older reference's may not have = noted the change.<BR><BR>Mark Martell<BR>Director of Bird Conservation<BR>A= udubon Minnesota<BR>2357 Ventura Drive #106<BR>St. Paul, MN 55125<BR>651-73= 9-9332<BR>651-731-1330 (FAX)<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:= mou-net-ad...@cbs.umn.edu [<A href=3D"mailto:mou-net-ad...@cbs.umn.edu]on"= >mailto:mou-net-ad...@cbs.umn.edu]on</A><BR>Behalf Of J Ferguson<BR>Sent: = Wednesday, April 06, 2005 1:22 PM<BR>To: bice0...@umn.edu; mou-...@cbs.umn.= edu<BR>Subject: RE: [mou] Wilson's Snipe? RQD? >> Common vs. = Wilson's Snipe?<BR><BR><BR>Sorry, Andy...no answer, but I have similar = question for someone/everyone. <BR>My Nat'l Geo Birds 3rd ed. = mentions the "Common Snipe" but no Wilson's. The <BR>Sibley Eastern = mentions the "Wilson's Snipe", as does the MOU MN birds <BR>checklist, but = no Common. The Latin species names are different (according <BR>to = the two books), though the genus is the same. Are these really the = same <BR>bird? Subspecies? Do we only get one kind of snipe in = MN? That is, is a <BR>snipe (that would be found in MN) just a = snipe?<BR><BR>Thanks!<BR><BR>Jonathan Ferguson<BR><BR>>From: "Andrew D. = Bicek" <bice0...@umn.edu><BR>>To: <mou-...@cbs.umn.edu><BR>&= gt;Subject: [mou] Wilson's Snipe? RQD?<BR>>Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 = 10:05:19 -0500<BR>><BR>>I was just entering data in the new online = field trip report entry form, <BR>>and<BR>>I couldn't find the = listing for wilson's snipe. I looked under regular, it<BR>>wasn't = there, I looked under rare, and it wasn't there. I found it = under<BR>>all and it needed a request for documentation. What's = the deal here? <BR>>Snipe<BR>>are common, why do we need to = formally write them up?<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>Funny too, is that = for Wright county, where I saw the snipe yesterday, it <BR>>is<BR>>li= sted as common on the MOU Wright cty checklist.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>= >Is this perhaps because it recently changed names and needs to be = <BR>>documented<BR>>under the new name?<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>&g= t;Andy Bicek<BR>><BR><BR><BR>___________________________________________= ____<BR>mou-net mailing list<BR>mou-...@cbs.umn.edu<BR><A href=3D"http://cb= s.umn.edu/mailman/listinfo/mou-net">http://cbs.umn.edu/mailman/listinfo/mou= -net</A><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>mou-net = mailing list<BR>mou-...@cbs.umn.edu<BR><A href=3D"http://cbs.umn.edu/mailma= n/listinfo/mou-net">http://cbs.umn.edu/mailman/listinfo/mou-net</A><BR></DI= V></BODY></HTML> --=__PartE6C5FDA5.0__=--