To all Minnesota birders How does using a tape to call birds differ from using epo to win the Tour de France or using steroids to hit home runs? Perhaps individuals who use a tape to see a bird should be required to asterisk that sighting on their life-list and posting.
Katherine Kottke On Jul 29, 2008, at 8:41 AM, douglas chapman wrote: > Well said. > > The Cassin's Sparrows which have been found (and confirmed breeding) > here in South Dakota have not been posted for this reason. It's a bit > too bad, but understandable since even the ABA magazine "Birding" now > calls bird finding a "sport."? > > It seems that tapes are our steroids.? > > > Doug Chapman > Sioux Falls, SD > > On Jul 29, 2008, at 7:51 AM, Richard Wood wrote: > >> It seems to me that this discussion took place last year about the >> Yellow-breasted Chat that was at Black Dog Lake, and at the time, I >> wondered what was the point of everyone getting all upset, because >> it's just going to happen again. >> >> The fact is, it's "human nature" for people to act the way that they >> do.? People are going to want to see a bird that is "rare" when it's >> posted, and some of them are going to take any means necessary to see >> it, whether it be to drive their vehicle where they shouldn't (which >> happened in Maryland recently) or to play tapes, or to throw a rock >> at a rail and kill it. >> >> I wish we could put an end to this, "we can end this behavior if >> enough of us post ethics "rules"", because it just isn't going to >> stop someone from seeing a bird once it has been posted.? As I told a >> person in Maryland last year that was complaining about birders >> turning the location of a pair of Long-eared Owls into a circus, "if >> the original poster didn't want it to come to this, he shouldn't have >> posted the bird's location".? Maybe we should do that instead of >> citing "birding ethics" and then having everyone and his brother >> posting asking us to "go by the rules"?? In my almost 10 years as a >> birder, I've seen that asking others to "go by the rules" doesn't >> work.? It doesn't work in other parts of life, so why do we think it >> will work here? >> >> Richard >> ? >> Richard L. Wood, Ph. D. >> Hastings, MN >> rwoodphd at yahoo.com >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Diana Doyle <diana at managingthewaterway.com> >> To:?mattjim at earthlink.net;?mou-net at moumn.org;?mnbird at >> lists.mnbird.net >> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:22:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [mou] WEVI tape discussion >> >> Are birders also destined to fall victim to Garrett Hardin's tragedy >> of the commons? It would seem that there is no such thing as "little >> tape playing" when it is multiplied over all the birders who want to >> see a particular bird. >> >> I agree with Jim. It's a disservice to the bird and to the person who >> then regrets sharing their excitement of an unusual bird with the >> broader birding community. >> >> We must ask ourselves what our priorities are--if we are first and >> foremost advocates for birds, their well-being, and their habitat. >> Ultimately that's what being a birder is all about.? >> >> Diana Doyle >> S. Minneapolis >> >> ------------- >> >> On Jul 28, 2008, at 16:09 , James Mattsson wrote: >> >> THIS IS A RARE BIRD THAT IS ON TERRITORY?WHERE MANY BIRDERS HAVE A >> CHANCE TO HEAR AND SEE IT?!!!!?? TAPES SHOULD NOT BE USED "SPARINGLY" >> OR ANY OTHER WAY !! TAPES CAN ONLY BE HARMFUL TO THE BIRD WHICH MIGHT >> BE MATED (PREDATION, ENERGY USED TO DEFEND AGAINST NON-EXISTENT >> NEIGHBORS, ETC), AND MAY PRECLUDE OTHER BIRDERS FROM SEEING/HEARING >> THE BIRD. >> ? >> THIS IS WHY I NO LONGER POST BIRDS I FIND THAT I FEEL THAT ARE >> SUSCEPTIBLE TO TAPE PLAYING. >> ? >> HERE IS THE COMPLETE ABA CODE OF ETHICS. >> ? >> http://www.americanbirding.org/abaethics.htm >> ? >> Jim >> >> >> --- >> This mailing list is sponsored by the Minnesota Ornithologists' >> Union. ?Mailing list membership available on-line >> at?http://moumn.org/subscribe.html. >> ----- >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to?mou-net-request at moumn.org?with a >> subject of unsubscribe. > > --- > This mailing list is sponsored by the Minnesota Ornithologists' Union. > Mailing list membership available on-line at > http://moumn.org/subscribe.html. > ----- > To unsubscribe send a blank email to mou-net-request at moumn.org with a > subject of unsubscribe. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 6994 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://moumn.org/pipermail/mou-net_moumn.org/attachments/20080729/a4bd8fc2/attachment-0001.bin
