I even had a spiffy (or, so I thought) name for it: Amadeus. I am interested in reviving it, however...
Lately I've been buried as usual in my .NET day job (blech--it's always .NET or Java), but have taken an interesting detour on my personal projects into Erlang, which has believe it or not gotten me interested all over again in Oz. (I got through this cycle with Oz every two years it seems... one of these days I hope to settle down!) One of these personal projects--for which I never get exhausted, thank God, or I'd go completely bonkers--looks promising in terms of a possible startup (I hope I didn't just jinx it), and if so I plan to dedicate myself full time to "Anything But .NET or Java". The times seem more ripe for what the Oz's and Erlang's of the world have to offer. I think its driven by the move to multi-core. Anyway. I like both languages but wish that Oz had more library support like Erlang's OTP for building apps with massive scalability and high availability, which is very compelling from an architecture point of view. ... all of this by way of saying: I wonder whether a framework like OTP and a built-in DB like Mnesia isn't more needful today for Oz to reach prime time than Yet Another Eclipse IDE? I must say it's the runtime and platform that attracts me to Erlang more so than the language itself. With Oz my interest is precisely the inverse--it's like the Swiss Army knife of programming languages, with the sidewinder missile option included for free. But it's not caught on, probably because of the perception that it offers too many options and throws too many new things into the mix for the Average Programmer (whatever that is), without a really compelling library story. I don't know the answer. (This particular problem is getting worse as I get older!) But I do think a compelling library story goes a long way, and in this respect Erlang has something still to offer Oz besides ideas about message-passing concurrency. - Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Torsten Anders > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 12:41 PM > To: Mozart users > Subject: Re: Development environment for Oz > > Dear Pierre, > > this issue has been raised repeatedly. There have been several > attempts so far, including Osmoz (see URL below), and Crisol, some > never really published extension of the Oz emacs mode by the AVISPA > group (see mail to this list from 27 July 2005 by Alberto Delgado). > Bob Calco was planning an Eclipse-based IDE. > > http://osmoz.sourceforge.net/ > > Naturally, we would all welcome an IDE contribution. So, if you > intend to... > > Best > Torsten > > On 24 Jan 2008, at 17:29, Pierre Radermecker wrote: > > > Looking at all the good project that seems to spawn around Mozart Oz > > (http://www.info.ucl.ac.be/~pvr/distribution.html) I was wondering > > about > > one that would build an innovative development for Oz. Something > > highly > > interactive such as Factor, Slime or Squeak. > > > > That would help greatly Oz to grow its user base. I am not an IDE > > aficionados and do like Emacs a lot but I believe these interactive > > developments do tell interesting stories and are particularly > > useful in > > practice. Factor integrates well with your favorite editor, Slime is > > Emacs specific and well Squeak is a kind of self contained > > environment. > > > > Maybe such a project would require too much man power. Still Factor > (a > > small community) seems to achieve something interesting there. > > > > What do you think ? My only post about a possible bug in the oz emacs > > mode had never deserved a reply so I cross my finger this time ;-) > > > > Thanks, > > > > - Pierre > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > ___________ > > mozart-users mailing list mozart- > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.mozart-oz.org/mailman/listinfo/mozart-users > > _______________________________________________________________________ > __________ > mozart-users mailing list mozart- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.mozart-oz.org/mailman/listinfo/mozart-users _________________________________________________________________________________ mozart-users mailing list [email protected] http://www.mozart-oz.org/mailman/listinfo/mozart-users
