Jordan wrote: There does not seem to be a question that he got free plumbing work through a union official, and then supported that official's appointment to a board. This much raises serious ethical questions but would not serve as the basis for a federal extortion case - it is more accurately categorized as "politics as usual" in traditional Minneapolis local government.
Then I responded: > Please cite other cases of elected officials getting $4000 or more of > goods illegally. We all know about Brian Herron, but two cases hardly > makes "politics as usual." The Herron and Biernat cases are outrageous > and depressing, but it would compound the sin if those not guilty were > made so by association. To which Jim Mork wrote: When you see graft prosecutions, do you automatically assume all is disclosed; or like me, do you assume that the biggest part is still underwater like an iceberg? If the latter, then you understand "business as usual". What I AM contesting is your apparent belief that his weaknesses were singular and atypical. Do you have anything but faith to support that? To which I respond: Jordan in effect alleged that criminal conduct was "politics as usual." That makes other city politicians guilty by association. I merely asked for other examples if this was so common. Facts should not be hard to provide for such as sweeping statement. I think in this case, the burden of proof is on the accuser. I will assume such weaknesses - criminal bribes - are singular unless proven otherwise. (I enjoy living in a country with the presumption of innocence. I am also not saying politicians do not pander, but criminality is a significant step up.) As a journalist, I enjoy facts to back up serious charges. Otherwise, such charges degrade public debate. To turn your closing line around: what I am contesting is your apparent belief that criminal misconduct is common and widespread. Do you have anything but cynicism to support that? David Brauer King Field _______________________________________ Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, and more: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
