Trying this again:

Mark, allow me to offer some insight then as to why this is more serious than just 
being a nincompoop and such a big deal.  A bigot is literally "a person obstinately or 
intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices."  Given that Lindner 
would deny the persecution of Gays and Lesbians under the Nazis despite historical 
facts to the contrary, this definition certainly seems to fit the bill.  More to the 
point, when you're in a public position such as Lindner with as much influence as a 
public official has, you don't get the luxury of being ignorant.  Your job is to know 
the facts, especially if you're going to sound off on them in public.

In addition, you really need to define what you mean by commonly known.  Up until a 
few years ago (and in some places still) it was "commonly known" that Columbus 
"discovered" America.  Well, educated people know the difference, but not everyone, 
and it's not "commonly known" because it does not fit in with historical image of 
America, and it's an uncomfortable subject for many people, especially those White 
Americans who have bought into the fairy tale.  It is not commonly known that the 
"settlers" "colonized" this country mostly through biological and chemical warfare and 
pestilence; it is not commonly known that 20 MILLION African American were murdered or 
died on the journey alone from Africa to America know as the Middle Passage during the 
Slave Trade, it is not commonly known that Hitler persecuted Gays and Lesbians.  
Commonly known seems to tranlate as they don't teach this in primary and secondary 
school because it's too controversial.  Anyone with interest and a sixth grade reading 
level however, can find this "not commonly known" information.  I'd also be happy to 
recommend a few books....

And I think your mistaken in the reason for Karen's tone, it isn't about political 
points it's about the facts being continually denied and distorted, it's about people 
in seats of power and influence continually imposing their narrowminded viewpoints on 
policy decisions not for the "benefit ot their constituents" but rather for the 
maintenance of their rather limited worldview.  It is about GLBT people, people of 
color and other oppressed or marginalized groups continually being denied basic human 
rights because a "representative" isn't doing just that.  Representing.

And when you paraphrase like you did regarding his "African continent" statement, you 
reduce the impact of the statement.  It's like paraphrasing Martin Luther King, Jr's 
"I Have A Dream" speech into, "I was thinking last night I wish people got along"; 
doesn't have quite the same intent or effect.  Lindner statement not only issues a 
judgement on the continent of Africa and by extension people of African descent and 
the GLBT community, but also equates the epidemic there with the lifestyle of GLBT 
community members. It is not the same thing.  And anyone in a position of power or 
influence should know this or not be in office.  To do any different is not only 
irresponsible but disrespectful to the people one claims to represent and the greater 
community as a whole.

It's not about bias, it's about doing the right thing and doing the responsible thing.


Jonathan Palmer
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