Although Bboobbee is a radical individual there are times I must support
his responses even if they are sometimes harsh. I have been guilty of this
also. If a vendor is cherry picking the list server for marketing/sales
contacts that is a no-no, and as such they deserve what is coming to them.
If a vendor is marketing their products on the list server that is
questionable, but usually allowed (only Roger L. gets away with this one
;-). In most cases being that this is a technical community of Websphere
MQ specialists we don't want advertisements we want solutions or new ideas
to our situation. So, that being said if a vendor provides a solution to a
question and it relates to their product I would say go for it. But, if
vendors are trying to one-up-one another that is usually looked down upon.
Mr. Barry Lamkin is an extremely cool dude and I suspect he was just giving
some insight on where Candle's OMEGAMON was within IBM after the
acquisition. IBM has acquired an excellent product and people who will
bring great skills, fortune, and insight which will expand IBM's arsenal.
I have other colleagues working in the other vendors mentioned and their
product line is excellent also. All products have their quirks and some
don't serve the needs of the customer based on feature or cost, but
obtaining further information to make a logical choice is necessary for us
to succeed in this industry.
Bobbee provided an excellent breakdown of the vendor's products, and we
should give him a *slap* for his vast knowledge. Sorry meant *clap*!
Chris
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Like when I purchase a DVD at the store. I have to sit through 20 minutes
of
advertising before I get to the movie.
bobbee
>From: George J Shedlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: MQSeries List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Vendor involvement (was: Re: Comparison of MQ monitoring tools)
>Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 10:01:43 -0500
>
>Robert,
>
>I think I can understand your concerns in keeping this list a peer
>collaboration list. However, in this case, I believe that you are making
>more of an issue than was necessary.
>
>My initial request was for information regarding MQ monitoring products. I
>have received a number of responses, both publicly and privately. The
>responses received are exactly what I was looking for, pro's and con's on
>the various products available. With the recent acquisition of Candle by
>IBM, the future direction of the product lines and how they intend to
>address some of the (perceived) shortcomings are definitely relevant to
>this discussion.
>
>I personally would prefer to see this list be a collaboration not only
>between users, but also with vendors providing that the vendors refrain
>from using this as a marketing tool. If vendors are able to keep the
>discussion to a true exchange of information to help others resolve issues
>and to provide technical information on the products involved (WITHOUT ANY
>SALES EFFORTS OR PRODUCT PROMOTION) I would welcome them.
>
>Your opinions may vary, but I welcome them just the same.
>
>George Shedlock Jr
>
>
>
>
>
>Robert Broderick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
>No........we are not...only one of you which is now two, toooooo many.
>(not
>to be used as an an excuse!!)
>
>And I believe we have heard from the people who are not out to make a buck
>about the Tivoli enterprise suite. Now that the Candle Suite is moving
>into
>that arena I guess we can expect the same. It is all a matter of
>time!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
> >From: Barry Lamkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: MQSeries List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: Comparison of MQ monitoring tools
> >Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 20:58:35 -0600
> >
> >Ok, now that we are giving vendor responses.
> >
> >I am a former Candle SE, now IBM/Tivoli.
> >
> >First of all, let me assure you that the OMEGAMON for MQ, will continue
>to
> >survive under the IBM/Tivoli umbrella. In that the Candle product has
> >been recognized as an excellent product in its platform coverage and
> >robust functionality, it will be the product which will continue to move
> >forward as the monitor of choice for MQ monitoring being offered by
> >IBM/Tivoli.
> >
> >What will change is that the former Tivoli ITM for MQ product will be
> >rolled into the OMEGAMON product and will all report up to the CNP,
along
> >with the rest of the OMEGAMON agents (zOS, DB2, CICS, etc).
Additionally,
> >as OMEGAMON is now an IBM/Tivoli product the TEC integration currently
> >available will become more strongly integrated and more transparent.
> >
> >Barry D. Lamkin
> >Senior IT Specialist
> >IBM Software Group
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Tuben, Gregg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >Subject
> >Re: Comparison of MQ monitoring tools
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >I don't think George was looking for vendor responses but I wanted to
> >elaborate on Rick's comment below.
> >
> >MAINVIEW runs on z/OS platforms but MAINVIEW for WMQ will monitor
> >distributed Queue Managers also. It communicates with the distributed
> >QMQRs via Patrol for WMQ Node Manager agent or via Proxy. BMC's Patrol
>for
> >WMQ will monitor z/OS as well as distributed. There is more z/OS
specific
> >data available with MAINVIEW for WMQ than with Patrol for WMQ.
> >
> >Gregg Tuben
> >Lead Developer z/OS WMQ products
> >BMC Software Inc.
> >As always, what I write is my opinion.
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Rick Tsujimoto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 8:23 AM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: Comparison of MQ monitoring tools
> >
> >
> >Im currently working with Omegamon/XE, monitoring MQ on the MF, Windows,
> >AIX and HP-UX. It does a pretty good job, but once in a blue moon we
>lose
> >contact with an agent on a distributed box and have to manually restart
> >it. It's fairly easy to write rules/scripts to monitor whatever event
>you
> >deem critical. My biggest concern is that IBM now owns it and it's not
> >clear if it will survive. Also, I prefer the CMW over the CNP, but
>that's
> >a personal preference.
> >
> >I did work with the BMC MV product and it was very good, but it only
> >supported the MF.
> >
> >I had a short experience with Tivoli and I think it's a terrible
product.
> >I think the other listers gave a good description of the short-comings.
> >
> >The only encounter with QPASA was a presentation by sales about 5-6 yrs
> >ago, but it didn't address the MF at the time (still don't know if it
> >does).
> >
> >A RYO approach is always an option, but unless your company wants to put
> >their family jewels in someone else's basket, it's not a good choice.
> >
> >
> >
> >George J Shedlock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >We are currently investigating MQSeries monitoring tools. The
environment
> >is z/OS 1.5, MQ 5.3.1. We are looking for some comparisons of products
> >with regard to feature/function and pro/con for any of these products.
>Any
> >opinions are most welcome.
> >
> >George Shedlock Jr
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