Same here - different tools for different platforms. A lot depends on the data format.. for fixed length, multi-row operations, nothing beats ISPF Edit for block changes, and I've always been enamoured with the ability to write my own edit macros, even running them in batch (but that might be a bit extreme). I still avoid vi - it does have a high learning curve and the payback for the extra effort to memorize these arcane and inconsistent options is very small, to me. Either I use a full-screen editor like Ultra-Edit, for simple editing, or write a shell script to do anything complex. FWIW the Ultra-Edit tool is extremely handy - it covers Windows, UNIX and the mainframe (although the latter's interface for directory navigation is kind of clumsy and I don't use it for mainframe editing); it encompasses editing and FTP in one seamless tool. In the past I 'lived' in ISPF, now I 'live' in Ultra-Edit.
________________________________ From: MQSeries List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 7:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: What do mainframe people use? Personally, I use ISPF on the mainframe and vi on the AIX/Unix/Linux world. To the gentleman who said ISPF sucks below, I'd say that vi leaves a bad taste in the mouth of mainframers. They both have their strengths, but I have to say that ISPF is a far more powerful editor, and it does have extensive help facilities built in to it. Hey, if we can brave the idiosyncracies of iebgener, iebcopy and other 'friendly' MVS utilities, vi is a piece of cake. In my experence, the 'open systems' bigots aren't nearly as open to other platforms as are mainframers, whose credo seems to be 'git r done' (regardless of platform). For our folks that don't like vi, we have another editor called nano that seems to have a less steep learning curve than vi, but it's not as full featured. Christopher Warneke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: MQSeries List <[email protected]> 03/04/2007 09:17 PM Please respond to MQSeries List <[email protected]> To [email protected] cc Subject Re: What do mainframe people use? :-) --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > More than a one line change, heh? Wow, yiou must be > real productive going > back and forth.. > > > > > Darren Douch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent by: MQSeries List > <[email protected]> > 03/03/2007 04:58 PM > Please respond to > MQSeries List <[email protected]> > > > To > [email protected] > cc > > Subject > Re: What do mainframe people use? > > > > > > > Someone else that uses LPEX - fantastic. (ISPF > sucks - like vi but on > the mainframe). Anything more than a one line > change I download to the > PC, upload back to the mainframe, either via ftp or > 3270. > > Darren > > Jim Nuckolls wrote: > >I typically use the old VisualAge for Cobol product > that installs the > LPEX > >Editor which is language sensitive (Cobol, > Assembler, C) and lets you > know > >of any syntax errors when you enter a line of code. > I FTP the code over > to > >the mainframe for compilation or assembly. If you > have the luxury of > >WebSphere Studio Enterprise Edition with the > mainframe extensions then > you > >also get language sensitive capabilities and more. > However, if I can't > use > >my laptop, then it's good old TSO/ISPF for me! I, > too am a big fan of the > > >capabilities of the ISPF editor. > > > >Cheers... > >Jim Nuckolls > > > >T-Rob wrote: > >>Hi Roger, > >> > >>I came up in a mainframe environment before making > the switch, so it is > no > >>surprise to me that ISPF was the big winner among > the responses. What > did > >>surprise me a little was that nobody mentioned > using it under Windows. > >>I've been using SPF/SE for years now and don't > know how I could get by > >>without it. I know this is a little off topic but > for all you ISPF > >>junkies who need to work on Windows for one reason > or another, you can > get > >>your fix here: http://commandtechnology.com/ > >> -- T.Rob > >> > >> > >>Roger Lacroix wrote on 03/02/2007 01:46:37 PM: > >> > >> > >>>All, > >>> > >>>What do mainframe people use? > >>> > >>>Ok, its a little open-ended question but I've had > some interesting > emails > >>>in the last couple of months. > >>> > >>>So, when you are editing code (i.e. COBOL, C, > REXX, etc.) do you edit > it > >>>on the mainframe or your PC then ftp it to the > mainframe? > >>> > >>>Where do you edit things like JCL or sysin > members? Mainframe or PC? > >>> > >>>For those people develop or support mainframe > applications, how much > >>>of the work is done on the mainframe? i.e. 50%, > 60%, 70% ... or 100% > >>> > >>>Are there people who exclusively use the > mainframe to do all of their > >>work? > >> > >>>Inquiring minds want to know. > >>> > >>> > >>>Regards, > >>>Roger Lacroix > >>> > >> > >>To unsubscribe, write to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and, > >>in the message body (not the subject), write: > SIGNOFF MQSERIES > >>Instructions for managing your mailing list > subscription are provided in > >>the Listserv General Users Guide available at > http://www.lsoft.com > >>Archive: > http://listserv.meduniwien.ac.at/archives/mqser-l.html > >> > >> > >> > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >List Archive > <http://listserv.meduniwien.ac.at/archives/mqser-l.html> > - > >Manage Your List Settings > ><http://listserv.meduniwien.ac.at/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mqser-l&A=1> > - > >Unsubscribe > >< > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]&BODY=signo ff%20mqseries > > > > > > > >Instructions for managing your mailing list > subscription are provided in > >the Listserv General Users Guide available at > http://www.lsoft.com > ><http://www.lsoft.com/resources/manuals.asp> > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Exclusive Ed Byrne daily comedy clips on MSN Video > http://specials.uk.msn.com/edbyrne/ > > To unsubscribe, write to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and, > in the message body (not the subject), write: > SIGNOFF MQSERIES > Instructions for managing your mailing list > subscription are provided in > the Listserv General Users Guide available at > http://www.lsoft.com > Archive: > http://listserv.meduniwien.ac.at/archives/mqser-l.html > > > To unsubscribe, write to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and, > in the message body (not the subject), write: > SIGNOFF MQSERIES > Instructions for managing your mailing list > subscription are provided in > the Listserv General Users Guide available at > http://www.lsoft.com > Archive: > http://listserv.meduniwien.ac.at/archives/mqser-l.html > To unsubscribe, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and, in the message body (not the subject), write: SIGNOFF MQSERIES Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com Archive: http://listserv.meduniwien.ac.at/archives/mqser-l.html ________________________________ List Archive <http://listserv.meduniwien.ac.at/archives/mqser-l.html> - Manage Your List Settings <http://listserv.meduniwien.ac.at/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=mqser-l&A=1> - Unsubscribe <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]&BODY=sign off%20mqseries> Instructions for managing your mailing list subscription are provided in the Listserv General Users Guide available at http://www.lsoft.com <http://www.lsoft.com/resources/manuals.asp> **** For your information: the Rhode Island Operations of New England Gas Company have been acquired by National Grid and are now doing business under that name. **** This e-mail and any files transmitted with it, are confidential to National Grid and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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