Hi Fred, Have you tried just X-Window without xfce4? In FreeBSD there were some problems with the keyboard in that particular window manager...right now NetBSD works well for me, but I think I will try again dflybsd... maybe I can make it work with lxqt or with openbox or something...
On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 9:59 PM vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't know what is happening... maybe all have desktop computers or > Thinkpads.... O also was not able to find any report... and don't know how > to post a report... maybe they will do something before new version comes > out... > > > On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 9:57 PM Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> Ha ok, perfect. >> >> I did a search in the issues and commits but no mention about >> keyboard-mouse problems with Xorg. >> >> Could it be that only you, theregister-testers and me have that problem? >> >> (Or maybe we are the only testers...) 😉 >> >> Fre;D >> >> ------------------------------ >> *De :* vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com> >> *Envoyé :* jeudi 15 juin 2023 20:48 >> *À :* General list for MSEide+MSEgui < >> mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> *Objet :* Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? >> >> I remember also trying 5.8 and not able to use X... on a real hardware. I >> don't test on virtual... I effectively install on my wife's laptop :P >> >> On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 9:38 PM Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Yes, we hope. >> >> But what is strange is that I have try with the previous release 5.8 and >> the same: no keyboard for Xorg. >> So maybe it happens only on virtual machine ( I tested with VMware and >> VirtualBox without luck ) and they dont care about VM, only "direct" >> machine are concerned. >> >> ------------------------------ >> *De :* vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com> >> *Envoyé :* jeudi 15 juin 2023 20:02 >> *À :* General list for MSEide+MSEgui < >> mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> *Objet :* Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? >> >> https://bugs.dragonflybsd.org/projects/dragonfly/roadmap >> >> There says that DragonflyBSD 6.6 is out in 15 days... lets hope... >> >> On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 8:52 PM Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hello Vasi. >> >> I dont have problems with the mouse on DragonFly (I did the same that you >> explained). >> >> But it is the keyboard... >> >> And I am not he only one: >> https://www.theregister.com/2023/01/06/dragonfly_bsd_6_4/ >> >> They explain their installation before test, here what they say: >> >> ... >> >> pkg install xorg >> >> The result worked perfectly, although it's extremely basic. So, we >> installed the slim desktop manager for a graphical login, and rebooted… >> only to find that once the GUI launched, our keyboard stopped working. So, >> we reinstalled the OS a *third* time, and this time installed Xfce 4 >> instead. That came up perfectly, but again, the keyboard stopped working. >> >> Such are the joys of trying out experimental operating systems, but >> unfortunately, the pressure of online publishing deadlines meant that our >> step-by-step process of learning by trying it and breaking things had to >> end. >> >> Fre;D >> >> ------------------------------ >> *De :* vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com> >> *Envoyé :* jeudi 15 juin 2023 19:41 >> *À :* General list for MSEide+MSEgui < >> mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> *Objet :* Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? >> >> I've seen your reply, hope that guys will come to help. >> >> BTW Fred, you know what blocked my mouse in X-Window under NetBSD? When I >> added in /etc/rc.conf the following line: >> >> wsmoused=YES >> >> There is stil wsconsole=YES there but doesn't affect the keyboard in X... >> >> It might be true also for DragonflyBSD? >> >> On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 7:19 PM Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> Hello Vasi. >> >> So we went to the same schools! >> (And if your age is in your Lazarus-forum account, I am older than you 😉 >> ) >> >> I answered to your post in Lazarus forum (thanks to doing that). >> >> https://forum.lazarus.freepascal.org/index.php/topic,55217.msg482695.html#msg482695 >> >> Wait and see... >> >> Fre;D >> >> ------------------------------ >> *De :* vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com> >> *Envoyé :* jeudi 15 juin 2023 15:15 >> *À :* General list for MSEide+MSEgui < >> mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> *Objet :* Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? >> >> I also worked for a while with wordstar editor for MS-DOS, loved that >> piece of software... Thankfully, UNIX/Linux have their console >> untouched... and still be able to provide a graphic system... >> >> On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 4:12 PM vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Most surely I launched them from mc in console... is how I work almost >> all the time (the first thing I install in an operating system is Midnight >> Commander) ... that is how I started in computers... from a console... :D >> old guy here... >> >> On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 4:00 PM vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Can't remember if I launched my app from console with mc or from file >> manager... now I have NetBSD installed :( >> >> On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 7:52 AM Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hello Vasi. >> >> Ho, nice, I just see your post in Lazarus forum, thanks for the >> compliments. >> I hope we will have answers. >> >> So you was able to compile and run Lazarus on OpenBSD, good news. >> Is it ok with Lazarus apps to run with 2xclick or is it the same as >> msegui apps ? >> >> Fre;D >> ------------------------------ >> *De :* vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com> >> *Envoyé :* jeudi 15 juin 2023 06:09 >> *À :* General list for MSEide+MSEgui < >> mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> *Objet :* Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? >> >> Fred, thank you for the solution, this comes after I posted on the >> lazarus forums.... >> >> On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 6:17 AM Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hello Vasi. >> >> I did not find the reason why 2xclick or using a launcher with the >> application path freeze the application. >> I suspect that maybe it is because the binary must be hardened (make a >> PIE executable with parameters "-Cg -k-pie -k-znow" but fpc does not allow >> it for NetBSD). >> >> Anyway, there is a clean workaround using a script or a launcher. >> >> The command of the launcher/script would be "xterm -iconic >> /path/of/application". >> The application will run as expected, but there will be xterm iconized >> (that will disapear when closing the app). >> >> Fre;d >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *De :* vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com> >> *Envoyé :* mercredi 14 juin 2023 03:54 >> *À :* General list for MSEide+MSEgui < >> mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> *Objet :* Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? >> >> It is ok Fred, two new operating systems out of three is an excellent >> score. And these were harder than DragonflyBSD which can use the FreeBSD >> repository... Some day, we will get X to work in dflyBSD, on a different >> version. You did an amazing job, thank you! >> >> On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 3:19 AM Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hello Vasi and everybody. >> >> > Yep, I can confirm the double-click problem. The IDE works when >> lunched from console. >> >> Tested on OpenBSD and there is the same problem too, good in console, not >> good from 2xclick. >> Maybe somebody could ask why on fpc forum? >> >> Anyway I did some more test (form console) of mseide on OpenBSD and >> NetBSD and all seems ok. >> >> So I updated the binaries in the assets of last release. >> https://github.com/mse-org/mseide-msegui/releases/tag/5.8.0 >> ( I did have more luck when reinstalling OpenBSD, he allows me to upload >> now ). >> >> But for our friend DragonFly, I did try all, even now install it on a >> other older computer. >> Same problem with Xorg: mouse works but not the keyboard. ;-( >> So, sorry, but I cannot engage the combat. >> >> Fre;D >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *De :* vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com> >> *Envoyé :* lundi 12 juin 2023 22:37 >> *À :* General list for MSEide+MSEgui < >> mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> *Objet :* Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? >> >> Yep, I can confirm the double-click problem. The IDE works when lunched >> from console. >> The froze happens with mseide and applications that it creates,. Not with >> apps from NetBSD repo... >> >> Bit I couldn't compile myide project from the apps folder, there is an >> error in the mseformatstring if I am correct, an internal error... >> >> On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 11:10 PM vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Rather a bug than anything else... I think is related to the distro CD... >> which didn't go well for me when I tried to install the system... I >> succeeded installing it online from their repos... I suspect there are some >> bugs... >> >> They have quite an impressive network stack, but such little errors to go >> unobserved... It is shocking... >> >> Anyway, you deserve lot of rest, to gain two more different operating >> systems for msegui is quite an accomplishment in such a short time! >> Congratulations! And thank you very much! >> >> BTW, I will see if I have the same problem with the double-click on >> launching the app... >> >> On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 9:03 PM Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Re-hello Vasi. >> >> Note that you need to run the application via console, strangely if you >> 2Xclick on the binary, the application run then freeze. >> I did try for other binaries (not fpc binaries) and it is the same. >> Maybe a protection feature (or a bug). >> >> Fre;D >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *De :* Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com> >> *Envoyé :* lundi 12 juin 2023 19:57 >> *À :* General list for MSEide+MSEgui < >> mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> *Objet :* Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? >> >> Hello Vasi. >> >> Yep, I finally managed to tame the directory access. >> Now, with last commit, all (should) works perfectly, included mseide, no >> more perpetual loop at run, nor crash and file-dialogs are working ok. >> >> NetBSD was not easy to tame, mainly because of missing or wrong doc. >> For example, https://man.netbsd.org/dirent.3 >> The declaration of >> >> uint16_t d_namlen; >> >> is wrong, it should be uint8_t and make the things not work, changing to >> uint8 fix it. >> >> >> Also there is a bug with readdir_r(), sometime it never reach to the end of >> the directory and does a perpetual loop. >> >> I use now readdir(), this one is ok. >> >> It was a hard battle but we win. >> >> Cheers. >> >> Fre;D >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *De :* vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com> >> *Envoyé :* lundi 12 juin 2023 17:36 >> *À :* General list for MSEide+MSEgui < >> mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> *Objet :* Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? >> >> NetBSD is in full transition to clang but it cannot give up on gcc also, >> so, there are two different linkers with different configurations and >> expectations. With resulted programs that cannot find their shared libs so >> is a total mess... Hopefully, NetBSD 10 will ease things... But not only >> the BSD world, Linux also... there are efforts towards clang... >> >> Until then, even for C programs there are problems... Because I don't >> know other way, I had to copy-symlink all libraries from X11R7 to /usr/lib, >> not only six of them (thanks for the pointer)... I'm pretty sure there is a >> right way to do it? A manual or something (it wasn't this mess a few years >> back...) >> >> For example for lockf () function, (if I remember correctly, because I am >> now on the linux laptop) you get errors and if you look at the man manual, >> things are like in linux, but it ends up that you really must change the >> value of one parameter the way compiler suggest it... In the end, raylib >> 4.0 compiles and runs ok but the timing is wrong because of >> incompatibilities with the timer functions that are yet to be solved... A >> nice graphical library that we have a pascal translation for. At least, in >> OpenBSD didn't worked at all (mouse problems in glfw library)... We really >> need some pointers from the developers and the porting team... Typhoon >> Relational Database needed also some interventions... Because, asking users >> to do what we do is a no-no... But at least, things are working... >> >> Otherwise, NetBSD snappier for me than OpenBSD... Your pointers were >> helpful. I had an X11 freeze trying mseide but I switched to the console >> and killed the X... No system crash, and I activated the journaling for the >> file system, just to be sure is recoverable... It works better than in >> OpenBSD... >> >> So, it seems that NetBSD requires the most work from the three of them... >> but I expect dflyBSD to be as easier as FreeBSD (if we make mouse and >> keyboard to work on X)... >> >> On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 6:18 AM vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Excellent progress! >> I also lost the night configuring NetBSD, setting the firewall, >> installing apps... now is up and running, just to make those X11 symlinks. >> Also having some difficulties in compiling a C library, but not mseide >> related... >> >> On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 12:22 AM Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Allez, the very last for tonight. >> >> I found the guilty of the icons and images not show and the error message >> of corrupt X11 atom. >> It is the image property bmo_graymask. >> And in all the mseide project all images or images list have >> "bmo_graymask = true". >> When setting bmo_graymask := false for all image and image-list the icon >> and image are ok. >> >> >> https://github.com/mse-org/mseide-msegui/assets/3421249/3452e988-1504-44df-a9e9-84ecdf65806a >> >> By the way, I never understood that property "bmo_graymask", setting it >> to true or false dont change anything on other os. >> >> It is a excellent news because fighting with X11 is a other story. >> >> So, perfect, the icons and images problems are solved. >> I will clean all the code, set bmo_graymask := false for eveybody and do >> the commit tonight. >> >> Only remains the access to directory in file dialog that resists. >> But not for longtime (but not for tonight). >> >> Fre;D >> >> ------------------------------ >> *De :* Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com> >> *Envoyé :* dimanche 11 juin 2023 21:06 >> *À :* General list for MSEide+MSEgui < >> mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> *Objet :* Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? >> >> Ooops, in previous post, the screenshot was without the run, here the >> good one. >> In the terminal, no more cry of X11 for bad atom. >> >> >> https://github.com/mse-org/mseide-msegui/assets/3421249/73bae81e-f28c-4790-b26c-5f408a9a2975 >> >> Note too that file access via the file-dialog is not yet perfect, for >> creating the project I have to write the full path + name, playing with the >> directory-icons was not ok. >> >> So, to resume, still some work but it will be possible to terminate the >> combat. >> >> Fre;D >> ------------------------------ >> *De :* Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com> >> *Envoyé :* dimanche 11 juin 2023 20:53 >> *À :* General list for MSEide+MSEgui < >> mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> *Objet :* Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? >> >> OK, I created a new project directly in NetBSD using mseide-pre-alpha, >> with a button and a image on his face. >> Compiled and run. >> And there the button has his ico-image: >> >> https://github.com/mse-org/mseide-msegui/assets/3421249/ec05ff42-2058-4c2f-9c39-746d9ac4d462 >> And no more cry when passing with mouse on the button about invalid atom. >> >> Hum, hum, hum. >> >> So could it be that the _mfm.pas gives problem and maybe oblige, for all >> imported image, to re-do-it when compiling a project in NetBSD? >> >> Anyway I have to stop for the moment this exploration. >> Yes, it is not a combat out-of-the-box, but sure we will win. >> >> Fre;D >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *De :* vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com> >> *Envoyé :* dimanche 11 juin 2023 19:53 >> *À :* General list for MSEide+MSEgui < >> mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> *Objet :* Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? >> >> Yeah, we are back to gtk and its connection to xlib... >> >> On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 8:44 PM Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Re-hello Vasi. >> >> OK, I found the option in xfce4 to show the icons in menu. >> >> But, sadly, the icons in mseide-menu are still not shown. >> So it seems not to be related. >> >> Fre;D >> ------------------------------ >> *De :* Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com> >> *Envoyé :* dimanche 11 juin 2023 19:03 >> *À :* General list for MSEide+MSEgui < >> mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> *Objet :* Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? >> >> Hello Vasi. >> >> Indeed, there are no icons in xfce4 menus. >> I think you get something there. >> >> I did try to have the icons shown but did not find a option for that. >> >> Maybe related with the not shown icons of mseide. >> >> If you try the last commit of mseide-msegui, you should compile the >> mseide and run it. >> There are 2 things that are not working (maybe more but I did not see). >> >> >> 1. The icons are not shown for menu and in the debugger form. >> 2. When you pass with the mouse on a menu with icons, there is a >> message in console from where you run mseide: "a X11 atom is not >> recognized". >> >> >> Maybe both are related. >> >> Sadly I have to take a break in msegui exploration this week, loooot of >> things to do. >> >> I hope you will have luck and that you will find the guilties. >> When I am more free, I will jump back into it. >> >> For DragonFly, till now I did not find a solution to make the keyboard >> work in a Xorg session and so did not try yet msegui on DragonFly. >> >> Good luck. >> >> Fre;D >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *De :* vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com> >> *Envoyé :* dimanche 11 juin 2023 15:13 >> *À :* General list for MSEide+MSEgui < >> mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> *Objet :* Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? >> >> Fred, your xfce4 shows icons in menus? >> >> On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 5:49 AM Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Re-hello Vasi. >> >> Ooops, sorry I did only read your first line, I did not see there was a >> follow. >> >> About the reboots, I my case, for testing msegui, I needed lot of reboot! >> >> This because at beginning, nothing was working and when finally the >> compilation was ok, running the ide crashed the system. >> So boot needed but, because of the "su" bug (that I did not know), I >> could not login after boot and must reinstall all the system. >> And retesting the mseide binary after some change (and using the "su" >> with Xorg console) still crash, so reboot, without working login, --> >> reinstall the os, retest, recrash, reinstall, retest, recrash, ... untill I >> found the guitly: "su" in Xorg console. >> >> Now it is ok, if I have a crash, I can reboot without the need to >> reinstall all because I use "su" in shell-terminal of the system. >> >> Fre;D >> >> ------------------------------ >> *De :* vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com> >> *Envoyé :* dimanche 11 juin 2023 01:22 >> *À :* General list for MSEide+MSEgui < >> mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> *Objet :* Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? >> >> Actually, won't help to create a user as part of wheel group, having >> admin rights and using just sudo or doas? Can'r wait to install it... Last >> time, I did not had such problems... but it was a different computer... >> >> Thanks for the movie, Fred. >> >> On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 1:13 AM Sieghard via mseide-msegui-talk < >> mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: >> >> Hello Fred, >> >> you wrote on Sat, 10 Jun 2023 17:37:44 +0000: >> >> > Note that with NetBSD using the "su" command in a Xorg terminal will >> > destroy the pam config (for login+password). And you will not be able to >> > login anymore (and must reinstall all the system). >> >> Ihat's a really _very_ bad thing... >> >> > So for all the things you need a root access, terminate the Xorg session >> > to come back to terminal-no-gui, login as normal user, then use the "su" >> > command to do the things that need root access. >> >> Does NetBSD's Xorg NOT have the LeftAlt-Ctrl-F<n> hot key function to >> switch to a text mode console? Or is that just disabled by default, as >> many Linux Xorg/Gooey^WGUI installations do it by now, somewhere setting >> a "ServerFlags" section 'Option "DontVTSwitch" "true"'? >> >> (There's a program, "chvt", that can do the switch too, but that requires >> root rights to be used, so it's useless here.) >> >> Creating a "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" file with just the contents >> "Section "ServerFlags" >> Option "DontVTSwitch" "true" >> EndSection" >> _might_ suffice, but it may neccessary to also include a line like >> ' Option "ServerLayout" "X.org Configured"' >> for Xorg to accept it. >> >> Be sure to scan Xorg's log file (Xorg.0.log) whether it had the intended >> effect or just rose a warning or an error. Read the Xorg man page! >> >> > Or do this after boot, before to run "startx" command. >> >> You do not want to (re)boot a Unix for maintenance purposes only! Do you? >> >> (Ooops, THAT was looong-winded thread!) >> >> -- >> (Weitergabe von Adressdaten, Telefonnummern u.ä. ohne Zustimmung >> nicht gestattet, ebenso Zusendung von Werbung oder ähnlichem) >> ----------------------------------------------------------- >> Mit freundlichen Grüßen, S. 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With resulted programs that cannot find their shared libs so >> is a total mess... Hopefully, NetBSD 10 will ease things... But not only >> the BSD world, Linux also... there are efforts towards clang... >> >> Until then, even for C programs there are problems... Because I don't >> know other way, I had to copy-symlink all libraries from X11R7 to /usr/lib, >> not only six of them (thanks for the pointer)... I'm pretty sure there is a >> right way to do it? A manual or something (it wasn't this mess a few years >> back...) >> >> For example for lockf () function, (if I remember correctly, because I am >> now on the linux laptop) you get errors and if you look at the man manual, >> things are like in linux, but it ends up that you really must change the >> value of one parameter the way compiler suggest it... In the end, raylib >> 4.0 compiles and runs ok but the timing is wrong because of >> incompatibilities with the timer functions that are yet to be solved... A >> nice graphical library that we have a pascal translation for. At least, in >> OpenBSD didn't worked at all (mouse problems in glfw library)... We really >> need some pointers from the developers and the porting team... Typhoon >> Relational Database needed also some interventions... Because, asking users >> to do what we do is a no-no... But at least, things are working... >> >> Otherwise, NetBSD snappier for me than OpenBSD... Your pointers were >> helpful. I had an X11 freeze trying mseide but I switched to the console >> and killed the X... No system crash, and I activated the journaling for the >> file system, just to be sure is recoverable... It works better than in >> OpenBSD... >> >> So, it seems that NetBSD requires the most work from the three of them... >> but I expect dflyBSD to be as easier as FreeBSD (if we make mouse and >> keyboard to work on X)... >> >> On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 6:18 AM vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Excellent progress! >> I also lost the night configuring NetBSD, setting the firewall, >> installing apps... now is up and running, just to make those X11 symlinks. >> Also having some difficulties in compiling a C library, but not mseide >> related... >> >> On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 12:22 AM Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Allez, the very last for tonight. >> >> I found the guilty of the icons and images not show and the error message >> of corrupt X11 atom. >> It is the image property bmo_graymask. >> And in all the mseide project all images or images list have >> "bmo_graymask = true". >> When setting bmo_graymask := false for all image and image-list the icon >> and image are ok. >> >> >> https://github.com/mse-org/mseide-msegui/assets/3421249/3452e988-1504-44df-a9e9-84ecdf65806a >> >> By the way, I never understood that property "bmo_graymask", setting it >> to true or false dont change anything on other os. >> >> It is a excellent news because fighting with X11 is a other story. >> >> So, perfect, the icons and images problems are solved. >> I will clean all the code, set bmo_graymask := false for eveybody and do >> the commit tonight. >> >> Only remains the access to directory in file dialog that resists. >> But not for longtime (but not for tonight). >> >> Fre;D >> >> ------------------------------ >> *De :* Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com> >> *Envoyé :* dimanche 11 juin 2023 21:06 >> *À :* General list for MSEide+MSEgui < >> mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> *Objet :* Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? >> >> Ooops, in previous post, the screenshot was without the run, here the >> good one. >> In the terminal, no more cry of X11 for bad atom. >> >> >> https://github.com/mse-org/mseide-msegui/assets/3421249/73bae81e-f28c-4790-b26c-5f408a9a2975 >> >> Note too that file access via the file-dialog is not yet perfect, for >> creating the project I have to write the full path + name, playing with the >> directory-icons was not ok. >> >> So, to resume, still some work but it will be possible to terminate the >> combat. >> >> Fre;D >> ------------------------------ >> *De :* Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com> >> *Envoyé :* dimanche 11 juin 2023 20:53 >> *À :* General list for MSEide+MSEgui < >> mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> *Objet :* Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? >> >> OK, I created a new project directly in NetBSD using mseide-pre-alpha, >> with a button and a image on his face. >> Compiled and run. >> And there the button has his ico-image: >> >> https://github.com/mse-org/mseide-msegui/assets/3421249/ec05ff42-2058-4c2f-9c39-746d9ac4d462 >> And no more cry when passing with mouse on the button about invalid atom. >> >> Hum, hum, hum. >> >> So could it be that the _mfm.pas gives problem and maybe oblige, for all >> imported image, to re-do-it when compiling a project in NetBSD? >> >> Anyway I have to stop for the moment this exploration. >> Yes, it is not a combat out-of-the-box, but sure we will win. >> >> Fre;D >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *De :* vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com> >> *Envoyé :* dimanche 11 juin 2023 19:53 >> *À :* General list for MSEide+MSEgui < >> mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> *Objet :* Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? >> >> Yeah, we are back to gtk and its connection to xlib... >> >> On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 8:44 PM Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Re-hello Vasi. >> >> OK, I found the option in xfce4 to show the icons in menu. >> >> But, sadly, the icons in mseide-menu are still not shown. >> So it seems not to be related. >> >> Fre;D >> ------------------------------ >> *De :* Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com> >> *Envoyé :* dimanche 11 juin 2023 19:03 >> *À :* General list for MSEide+MSEgui < >> mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> *Objet :* Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? >> >> Hello Vasi. >> >> Indeed, there are no icons in xfce4 menus. >> I think you get something there. >> >> I did try to have the icons shown but did not find a option for that. >> >> Maybe related with the not shown icons of mseide. >> >> If you try the last commit of mseide-msegui, you should compile the >> mseide and run it. >> There are 2 things that are not working (maybe more but I did not see). >> >> >> 1. The icons are not shown for menu and in the debugger form. >> 2. When you pass with the mouse on a menu with icons, there is a >> message in console from where you run mseide: "a X11 atom is not >> recognized". >> >> >> Maybe both are related. >> >> Sadly I have to take a break in msegui exploration this week, loooot of >> things to do. >> >> I hope you will have luck and that you will find the guilties. >> When I am more free, I will jump back into it. >> >> For DragonFly, till now I did not find a solution to make the keyboard >> work in a Xorg session and so did not try yet msegui on DragonFly. >> >> Good luck. >> >> Fre;D >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *De :* vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com> >> *Envoyé :* dimanche 11 juin 2023 15:13 >> *À :* General list for MSEide+MSEgui < >> mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> *Objet :* Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? >> >> Fred, your xfce4 shows icons in menus? >> >> On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 5:49 AM Fred van Stappen <fi...@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Re-hello Vasi. >> >> Ooops, sorry I did only read your first line, I did not see there was a >> follow. >> >> About the reboots, I my case, for testing msegui, I needed lot of reboot! >> >> This because at beginning, nothing was working and when finally the >> compilation was ok, running the ide crashed the system. >> So boot needed but, because of the "su" bug (that I did not know), I >> could not login after boot and must reinstall all the system. >> And retesting the mseide binary after some change (and using the "su" >> with Xorg console) still crash, so reboot, without working login, --> >> reinstall the os, retest, recrash, reinstall, retest, recrash, ... untill I >> found the guitly: "su" in Xorg console. >> >> Now it is ok, if I have a crash, I can reboot without the need to >> reinstall all because I use "su" in shell-terminal of the system. >> >> Fre;D >> >> ------------------------------ >> *De :* vasi vasi <funl...@gmail.com> >> *Envoyé :* dimanche 11 juin 2023 01:22 >> *À :* General list for MSEide+MSEgui < >> mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> >> *Objet :* Re: [MSEide-MSEgui-talk] New release? >> >> Actually, won't help to create a user as part of wheel group, having >> admin rights and using just sudo or doas? Can'r wait to install it... Last >> time, I did not had such problems... but it was a different computer... >> >> Thanks for the movie, Fred. >> >> On Sun, Jun 11, 2023 at 1:13 AM Sieghard via mseide-msegui-talk < >> mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote: >> >> Hello Fred, >> >> you wrote on Sat, 10 Jun 2023 17:37:44 +0000: >> >> > Note that with NetBSD using the "su" command in a Xorg terminal will >> > destroy the pam config (for login+password). And you will not be able to >> > login anymore (and must reinstall all the system). >> >> Ihat's a really _very_ bad thing... >> >> > So for all the things you need a root access, terminate the Xorg session >> > to come back to terminal-no-gui, login as normal user, then use the "su" >> > command to do the things that need root access. >> >> Does NetBSD's Xorg NOT have the LeftAlt-Ctrl-F<n> hot key function to >> switch to a text mode console? Or is that just disabled by default, as >> many Linux Xorg/Gooey^WGUI installations do it by now, somewhere setting >> a "ServerFlags" section 'Option "DontVTSwitch" "true"'? >> >> (There's a program, "chvt", that can do the switch too, but that requires >> root rights to be used, so it's useless here.) >> >> Creating a "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" file with just the contents >> "Section "ServerFlags" >> Option "DontVTSwitch" "true" >> EndSection" >> _might_ suffice, but it may neccessary to also include a line like >> ' Option "ServerLayout" "X.org Configured"' >> for Xorg to accept it. >> >> Be sure to scan Xorg's log file (Xorg.0.log) whether it had the intended >> effect or just rose a warning or an error. Read the Xorg man page! >> >> > Or do this after boot, before to run "startx" command. >> >> You do not want to (re)boot a Unix for maintenance purposes only! Do you? >> >> (Ooops, THAT was looong-winded thread!) >> >> -- >> (Weitergabe von Adressdaten, Telefonnummern u.ä. ohne Zustimmung >> nicht gestattet, ebenso Zusendung von Werbung oder ähnlichem) >> ----------------------------------------------------------- >> Mit freundlichen Grüßen, S. 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