On video, 2 quick notes: I've filed a bug, mostly just to collate the discussion so far (or in case of random volunteers! If this is simple enough to be a GSOC/etc task (I don't know), please add any helpful notes to that bug :) https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73438
and that it's being discussed afresh (mostly just a reiteration of the previous comments) at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29#Less_intrusive_video_player_icon On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:58 AM, James Forrester <[email protected]> wrote: > On 6 November 2014 01:05, Brian Wolff <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 11/5/14, James Forrester <[email protected]> wrote: >> > On 4 November 2014 23:12, quiddity <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> I think the ideas in the onwiki thread were more along the lines of: >> >> * Putting a control-bar along the bottom of the thumbnail, with video >> >> controls, like the audio files have. e.g. >> >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:My_Bloody_Valentine_-_Last_Supper.ogg >> >> >> > >> > No. Adding yet more gunk to the page is a really terrible idea, >> violating >> > the fundamental principles of only showing more stuff on the page when >> > strictly needed. Good point though, the bad display does need to be >> fixed >> > for audio files. >> > >> >> There's already a control bar on some video files if you hover your >> mouse over them (It depends which code path is triggered. It happens >> on videos with big enough thumbnails that they aren't opened in a new >> window. This is true for most image pages). >> >> I'm unclear on what specifically you are objecting to on audio files. >> Are you not liking the "Menu" button? >> > > No, the menu button is fine; indeed, > it's pretty much everything else that's wrong with it. :-) > > > Each audio file transclusion has in its "rest" non-hover state the entire > set of playback controls, which isn't what we do for videos (even, as you > say, the ones where the preview is "big enough", where we only show these > controls on hover). > > Per > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki_audio_file_transclusion_%E2%80%93_on-load_screenshot.png > which > I just took, the interface: > > > - shows a time offset from the start, which provides no value before > it starts playing; > - shows a "CC" button for closed captions which shows in the exact > same state even when there aren't any; > - shows a compound volume/mute button which adds more complexity; and > yet > - doesn't tell you (except implicitly by not showing a picture) that > it's an audio. > > See *e.g.* the BBC for how audio excerpts can be shown with a simple > audio play icon to activate the toolbar and everything else instead, with > must less visual noise and clutter (most viewers of the article aren't here > to listen to the audio/video files, *etc.*): > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30016007 > > J. > -- > James D. Forrester > Product Manager, Editing > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. > > [email protected] | @jdforrester > > _______________________________________________ > Multimedia mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/multimedia > >
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