Hi Thomas,

Please see in line!

> ________________________________________
>Van: [email protected] [[email protected]] namens Thomas C. 
>Schmidt
 >[[email protected]]
>Verzonden: maandag 30 juli 2012 0:57
>Aan: [email protected]
>Onderwerp: Re: [multimob] Comments on   
>draft-schmidt-multimob-fmipv6-pfmipv6-multicast-06

>Hi Georgios,

>many thanks for your comments, please see answers inline.

>On 29.07.2012 15:21, [email protected] wrote:

>> I have read draft-schmidt-multimob-fmipv6-pfmipv6-multicast-06
>>   and I have some comments:
>>
>> Comment_1:  The draft is useful since it is providing a solution for 
>> seamless and fast handover for multicast applications by extending existing 
>> seamless and fast handover solutions used for unicast applications, which 
>> are the Mobile IPv6 Fast Handovers (FMIPv6) specified in RFC5568 and the 
>> Fast Handovers for Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PFMIPv6) specified in RFC5949.

>Thanks again, we believe so, too ;)

>>
>> Comment_2: A motivation section is missing from the draft. In my opinion it 
>> is very useful to include such section in this draft. In particular, this 
>> draft mentions that a seamless and fast handover solutions is needed for 
>> multicast applications like IPTV. Other scenarios and applications that 
>> should probably be mentioned and that will make use of such solutions are 
>> the Public Protection and Disaster Relief (PPDR) scenarios & application 
>> types, where mobile multicast communications need to be supported between 
>> members of rescue teams, police officers, fire brigade teams, paramedic 
>> teams, command control offices in order to support the protection and health 
>> of citizens.
>> In particular three main PPDR scenarios & application types could be 
>> distinguished:
>>
>>> 1) City security scenario:  that can be used to support the day to day 
>>> safety and security of citizens.
>>
>> 2) Disaster recovery scenario that deals with the protection of people and 
>> rescue teams during large scale natural or man-made disasters, like 
>> flooding, earth quakes and nuclear disasters.
>
>> 3) Temporary Protection PPDR scenario that deals with safety and security of 
>> citizens visiting large planned events like football matches, pop concerts 
>> and protest demonstrations.
>

>Thanks for this pointer: disaster scenarios are indeed a good motivation
>for fast handover operations. We can add this.

Georgios: Great, I can provide more details on the above!



>> Comment_3: The draft is not clear about the main differences between this 
>> draft and draft-ietf-multimob-fast-handover-01. From what I understood after 
>> reading both drafts:
>>
>> o) draft-ietf-multimob-fast-handover-01 focuses on the extension of the 
>> Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) RFC5213, and the “Base deployment for multicast 
>> listener support in Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) Domain” RFC6224, to achieve 
>> fast handover for mobile multicast applications, while:
>>
>> o) draft-schmidt-multimob-fmipv6-pfmipv6-multicast-06 focuses on the 
>> extensions of Mobile IPv6 Fast Handovers (FMIPv6) specified in RFC5568 and 
>> the Fast Handovers for Peoxy Mobile IPv6 (PFMIPv6) specified in RFC5949 to 
>> achieve fast handover for mobile multicast applications.
>> Can you please elaborate?
>>

>This is indeed largely misleading, in particular the name
>"draft-ietf-multimob-fast-handover", which I have pointed out several
>times. From the unicast systematic, "Fast Handover" is coined to (P)FMIP
>- so I agree that this terminology is misleading.

> From the protocol perspective, there are two approaches of accelerated
>handover support in PMIP:

>  * The *Fast*Handover* between ARs/MAGs (in unicast (P)FMIP), which our
>draft extends to Multicast.

>  * The *Transient*Binding* that transfers context from pMAG via LMA to
> nMAG (in unicast RFC 6058), which draft-ietf-multimob-fast-handover
> follows in part.


>There was a general agreement (including both ADs) to progress both
>drafts in the multicast context, but chairs haven't called for adoption
>of draft-schmidt-multimob-fmipv6-pfmipv6-multicast, yet.

>We will discuss in Multimob tomorrow.

>Thanks,

>Thomas

Georgios: Thanks for the explanation!

Best regards,
Georgios

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