I'd like to keep the module/jar names the same for consistencies sake, 
with the symbolic names being as they are now. I have this change in the 
muse-osgi-* modules, but not the ones already in /trunk.

Dan



"Hawkins, Joel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 07/27/2006 01:54:29 
PM:

> Thanks. On to my next stumbling block ;-)
> 
> On a different topic, did we agree on using the module names as the
> jar/bundle names for OSGi? I'm in the process of splitting out the APIs,
> so I figured I'd go ahead an make all the necessary changes to the
> manifest, etc. at once.
> 
> Joel
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Jemiolo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 1:38 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: Possible Missing Operations on SubscriptionManager?
> 
> I haven't been keeping the WSRF WSDLs in SVN - just the schemas -
> because 
> we don't normally need to include them in the WSDLs generated for user 
> projects. But you're right - they are used by the subscription
> resource's 
> WSDL. I've added them to muse-wsrf-api/specs in SVN.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> "Hawkins, Joel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 07/27/2006
> 01:11:21 
> PM:
> 
> > WS-ResourceLifetime-1_2.wsdl? Any idea where I find this? It's
> included
> > by the BaseNotification. I expected it to be in muse-wsrf-api, but I
> > don't see it.
> > 
> > Joel
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Daniel Jemiolo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 10:58 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: RE: Possible Missing Operations on SubscriptionManager?
> > 
> > yes, I'm using the slightly-modified WS-N WSDL in the
> muse-wsn-api/specs
> > 
> > directory.
> > 
> > Dan
> > 
> > 
> > "Hawkins, Joel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 07/26/2006
> > 04:41:02 
> > PM:
> > 
> > > Thanks, yeah - this is about where I've gotten to (after bumping
> into
> > > every sharp corner in the room!). I figured out that the
> subscription
> > > manager is on the WSResource representing the subscription (which
> > makes
> > > your lifetime equivalency argument a lot clearer), and that you
> can't
> > > make one of these at startup time (only the notification producer
> will
> > > know how to initialize it properly). I'm dubious about your wsdl
> port
> > > type, but I'll give it a go - when I tried that I got the "not all
> > > operations were implemented" error. I'm assuming your wsdl matches
> > > what's in wsn-api's spec folder?
> > > 
> > > I've just hit a problem with Axiom trying to serialize
> > > getResourcePropertyDocument (still investigating), but I think I'll
> > > finally muddle through all this.
> > > 
> > > Thanks for the help,
> > > Joel
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Daniel Jemiolo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 4:09 PM
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Subject: RE: Possible Missing Operations on SubscriptionManager?
> > > 
> > > sorry about the XML getting chopped up by the character limit -
> > > hopefully 
> > > re-formatting in your editor can put it back in order.
> > > 
> > > Dan
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Daniel Jemiolo/Durham/[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 07/26/2006 04:06:05 PM:
> > > 
> > > > You need two things to deploy a WSN producer - 
> > > > 
> > > > 1. a resource that has the NotificationProducer capability. this
> is
> > > the 
> > > > resource that is actually creating events and publishing them.
> > > > 
> > > > 2. a section resource type that represents subscriptions. this
> type
> > > can 
> > > be 
> > > > very simple - just has to implement WSRP Get, WSN
> > SubscriptionManager,
> > > 
> > > > and, optionally, WSRL capabilities for lifecycle operations. The 
> > > muse.xml 
> > > > fragment for subscription resources should look like this (even
> has
> > > WSRL 
> > > 
> > > > :)  ):
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >         <resource-type>
> > > >                 <context-path>subscription-manager</context-path>
> > > >                 <wsdl>
> > > >
> > <wsdl-file>wsdl/WS-BaseNotification-1_3.wsdl</
> > > > wsdl-file>
> > > >
> <wsdl-port-type>wsntw:SubscriptionManager</
> > > > wsdl-port-type>
> > > >                 </wsdl>
> > > >                 <java-id-factory-class>
> > > > org.apache.muse.core.routing.CounterResourceIdFactory</
> > > > java-id-factory-class>
> > > >                 <java-resource-class>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> org.apache.muse.ws.resource.impl.SimpleWsResource</java-resource-class>
> > > >                 <capability>
> > > >                         <capability-uri>
> > > >
> http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsrf/rlw-2/ImmediateResourceTermination</
> > > > capability-uri>
> > > >                         <java-capability-class>
> > > >
> > org.apache.muse.ws.resource.lifetime.impl.SimpleImmediateTermination</
> > > > java-capability-class>
> > > >                 </capability>
> > > >                 <capability>
> > > >                         <capability-uri>
> > > >
> http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsrf/rlw-2/ScheduledResourceTermination</
> > > > capability-uri>
> > > >                         <java-capability-class>
> > > >
> > org.apache.muse.ws.resource.lifetime.impl.SimpleScheduledTermination</
> > > > java-capability-class>
> > > >                 </capability>
> > > >                 <capability>
> > > >                         <capability-uri>
> > > > http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsrf/rpw-2/Get</capability-uri>
> > > >                         <java-capability-class>
> > > >
> > org.apache.muse.ws.resource.properties.get.impl.SimpleGetCapability</
> > > > java-capability-class>
> > > >                 </capability>
> > > >                 <capability>
> > > >                         <capability-uri>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsn/bw-2/SubscriptionManager</capability-uri>
> > > >                         <java-capability-class>
> > > > org.apache.muse.ws.notification.impl.SimpleSubscriptionManager</
> > > > java-capability-class>
> > > >                         <init-param>
> > > >                                 <param-name>trace-notifications</
> > > > param-name>
> > > >                                 <param-value>true</param-value>
> > > >                         </init-param>
> > > >                 </capability>
> > > >         </resource-type>
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > At startup, the resource that has NotificationProducer will look
> for
> > 
> > > > another resource type that is a subscription type. This will
> ensure
> > > that 
> > > 
> > > > it can implement the WSN pub/sub system as intended. It will
> create 
> > > > instances of the subscription type for every call you make to 
> > > subscribe(). 
> > > > If you use the NotificationProducerClient to call subscribe(),
> > you'll 
> > > get 
> > > > back an EPR that can be used to talk to the subscription
> ws-resource
> > > (to 
> > > 
> > > > call destroy(), for example).
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Don't create any instances of subscriptions on your own. The 
> > > > NotificationProducer impl will do that. Just handle the creation
> of
> > > your 
> > > 
> > > > own resources, and subscriptions will handle themselves. From
> within
> > 
> > > your 
> > > > producer resource code, you can publish messages using the code
> > below.
> > > 
> > > > Remember that WSRP change notifications and WSRL termination 
> > > notifications 
> > > > are handled automatically.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > QName topic = ...   // can be null
> > > > 
> > > > Element payload = ...
> > > > // also works: XmlSerializable payload = ... 
> > > > 
> > > > NotificationProducer wsn = 
> > > > getResource().getCapability(WsnConstants.PRODUCER_URI);
> > > > wsn.publish(topic, payload);
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > "Hawkins, Joel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 07/26/2006 
> > > 01:31:59 
> > > > PM:
> > > > 
> > > > > That's what I've done (haven't been sitting around waiting ;-) )
> > > > > 
> > > > > So now my resource has the SubscriptionManager capability (which
> > > seems
> > > > > wrong, but OK). Now I'm getting some issues with initialization
> of
> > > the
> > > > > SimpleSubscriptionManager - [ID = 'NoProducerEPR'] The
> > Subscription 
> > > has
> > > > > no ProducerReference - you must set the producer with
> > > > > setProducerReference() before initialization.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm creating the resource during startup (using the muse.xml
> > > > > startupcount attribute).
> > > > > 
> > > > > So, to review the bidding -
> > > > > 
> > > > > I started with a simple resource with the following
> capabilities:
> > > > > 
> > > > > GetMetaData,
> > > > > MetaDataCapability
> > > > > ImmediateResourceTermination
> > > > > ScheduledResourceTermination
> > > > > Property Get/Query/Set
> > > > > 
> > > > > All was well. I then added:
> > > > > NotificationProducer
> > > > > Advertisement
> > > > > 
> > > > > Which required feeding a number of additional properties to the 
> > > schema.
> > > > > SimpleNotificationProducer complained about not having a
> > > > > SubscriptionManager.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Feeding the resource a subscriptionmanager capability is where
> we
> > > came
> > > > > in.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Now, I assume that what I really need is to create another
> > resource 
> > > type
> > > > > with the subscriptionmanager capability, make it a startup
> > instance
> > > of
> > > > > 1, and put it before my problem child resource in muse.xml,
> right?
> > 
> > > Now,
> > > > > what wsdl should I use? Yesterday I pointed at the WSN wsdl and
> > used
> > > 
> > > the
> > > > > subscriptionmanager port, and that's what started all of this
> > > (missing
> > > > > methods and stuff). Where am I going off into the weeds?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks and sorry for the distraction,
> > > > > Joel
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Daniel Jemiolo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 12:41 PM
> > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > Subject: RE: Possible Missing Operations on SubscriptionManager?
> > > > > 
> > > > > You want to keep SubscriptionManager, but add
> > > > > ImmediateResourceTermination 
> > > > > and/or ScheduledResourceTermination:
> > > > > 
> > > > > <capability>
> > > > >   <capability-uri>
> > > > >
> > http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsrf/rlw-2/ImmediateResourceTermination</
> > > > > capability-uri>
> > > > >   <java-capability-class>
> > > > >
> > >
> org.apache.muse.ws.resource.lifetime.impl.SimpleImmediateTermination</
> > > > > java-capability-class>
> > > > > </capability>
> > > > > <capability>
> > > > >   <capability-uri>
> > > > >
> > http://docs.oasis-open.org/wsrf/rlw-2/ScheduledResourceTermination</
> > > > > capability-uri>
> > > > >   <java-capability-class>
> > > > >
> > >
> org.apache.muse.ws.resource.lifetime.impl.SimpleScheduledTermination</
> > > > > java-capability-class>
> > > > > </capability>
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > The IBM stuff is part of MUSE-33 cleanup...
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > "Hawkins, Joel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 07/26/2006
> > > > > 12:33:30 
> > > > > PM:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Dan wrote
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I didn't implement Unsubscribe and Renew because a) time is
> > > short,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > b)
> > > > > > > they are redundant. I believe that the reason these two
> > > operations
> > > > > > exist
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > is to allow people to implement subscription resources
> without
> > a
> > > > > > > dependency on WSRF. Subscriptions that are WSRF-based use
> > > Destroy
> > > > > for 
> > > > > > > Unsubscribe and SetTerminationTime for Renew - the concepts
> > are
> > > > > > exactly 
> > > > > > > the same, but in each case, the former is based on WSRL.
> With 
> > > Muse,
> > > > > > all 
> > > > > > > resources implement the implied resource pattern, so most of
> > the
> > > > > WS-* 
> > > > > > > foundation that one would be looking to avoid when ditching
> > WSRF
> > > 
> > > is 
> > > > > > > already present; that being the case, I would advise someone
> > to 
> > > just
> > > > > > add
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > in the WSRL capabilities if either of these operations are 
> > > desired. 
> > > > > > > You're already pulling in WSRF for the NotificationProducer
> > > impl, 
> > > so
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > you might as
> > > > > > > well take advantage of that and use WSRL in the subscription
> > > > > resource 
> > > > > > > rather than adding duplicate code to the app.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Well, when I remove SubscriptionManager from the mix, I get
> the
> > > > > > following out of SimpleNotificationProducer's initialize
> method:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > [ID = 'NoSubscriptionManager'] There is no resource that
> > > implements
> > > > > the
> > > > > > WS-N SubscriptionManager portType defined in touchpoint.xml.
> In 
> > > order
> > > > > to
> > > > > > use and manage subscriptions, a touchpoint must expose a
> > resource
> > > of
> > > > > > type com.ibm.ws.notification.Subscription (or a sub-type);
> this
> > > > > resource
> > > > > > will represent all new subscriptions created by the resource.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I'm at a bit of a loss - any ideas? The com.ibm bit makes me a
> > bit
> > > > > > squeamish... am I still skiing out of bounds here?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Joel
> > > > > > 
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