derGraph wrote:
Orion wrote:
Other people that have the DVD can easily reproduce the exact same rip.
Just like when merging and album with the bonus disc...
But that's not the point. There is no audio-only release. In fact, the
audio frames have to be separated from the video frames. That's pretty
much like taking a Rock Encyclopaedia, copying the pages on your
favourite band, and calling it a band biography. Would your arguments be
"The source is official, everyone can reproduce it, so it's an official
book"?
Nope. But it seems we're straying into analogy land which always seems
to lead to weirdness on these lists. What concerns you is that you have
to demux the streams? The practice of interlacing is what makes it
bootleg? So if someone released a weirdly authored concert dvd with the
streams placed in a non-interlaced fashion in the vobs it'd be okay? Or
for a concrete example - some DVD-audio discs are hybrid with a
DVD-video section for compatibility reasons, letting people with just
DVD players still be able to at least listen to the audio. On Every
Little Thing's "Every Best Single + 3"
http://avexnet.jp/item/every/disc/product/AVAD-91205.html DVD-audio disc
there's the DVD-A section and then a regular VIDEO+TS folder that has
vobs with 96khz lpcm stereo audio that plays while display the album
cover and the current song info for each track in the video segment,
where one chapter == one track == one song. For a long time people
weren't able to directly rip DVD-A discs until a way was found to hook
into commercial PC DVD-A playback software and have it dump the
decrypted data instead of playing it back. So if I were to rip it (like
I did) when I first got it where I had to demux the audio stream from
the rest of the content in the vobs and then encode it versus how
nowadays I could just dump the audio portion directly if I had the right
software - the former would be bootleg because of having to seperate the
audio stream from the rest of the content in the vob while the latter
would be an official release?
How is a concert not music?
Oh, it is. But it is also a show, plus the reactions of the crowd, plus
knowing the band can't simply redo a passage they didn't play perfectly,
and so on. I never said a live DVD is not about music. I said it's
about more than just music.
So... audio-wise, it's the the same as what you would find on a live CD
then? The video component is important and I do usually watch my
concert DVDs at least once, but a lot more often that that I just want
to listen to them, same as you'd want to listen to a live CD...
Not to mention it makes artist pages feel incomplete to not have them
listed - I'm used to label discographies like
http://avexnet.jp/item/every/disc/dvdaudio.html where they break stuff
down into single/album/dvd/dvd-audio/SACD/video/analog or
http://www.up-front-works.jp/discography/zetima/29/list.html where they
have single/album/dvd/other(vhs/LPs/etc) As was pointed out elsewhere
in this discussion, one could simply take the tracklisting from
http://www.up-front-works.jp/discography/zetima/29/v_66/index.html and
enter it directly as a release, bypassing the whole issue of whether or
not something was removed to enter it...
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