On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:13 AM, SwissChris <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Lemire, Sebastien <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Well because of pretty wide support for removing the Cover attribute and >> IMHO it shouldn't be implemented unless we can find a way to do it properly, >> I would also be in favor in removing it. If in the future through major >> structural changes there's a possibility to re-introduce then I guess it can >> be looked into then. > > Removing (= destroying) valuable information added by editors over years, > with the perspective to have them eventually added again sometimes in the > future? You can't be serious! >> >> Would anyone veto an RFC to remove the Cover attribute? > > I guess I would, based on what has been said by Lorenz Pressler, Ryan > Torchia and myself. I'd rather link to the "concept of a song" than to have > to decide which is the "earliest" or "most popular" or whatever recording I > should link to. And removing the "cover" relation completely would in many > cases be a major loss of information.
What information? Maybe it's obvious, but I just don't see the useful information there once we have works... > Chris/chabreyflint >> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 4:32 PM, SwissChris <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:19 PM, Lemire, Sebastien <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If you followed the discussion preceding the introduction of "Works" in >>>>> MB, you would have realized that "Works" in MB are more than just the >>>>> score, >>>>> the "piece of paper" as you call it. There was quite a debate whether we >>>>> should call it "MBWORKS" or something else, just to make sure people would >>>>> acknowledge that "MB-Works" are not just the common language works. So I >>>>> think you guys are failing to understand what the "Works" concept in MB is >>>>> ;-) >>>>> One of the aims of creating "works" in MB was to allow linking to the >>>>> "concept" of a song instead of having to search for the "earliest release" >>>>> or to guess to which specific recording a cover version should be linked >>>>> to… >>>>> Chris/chabreyflint >>>> >>>> You're right, I didn't take part in the Pre-NGS discussions regarding >>>> works. >>>> Seeing your comment I immediately went and re-read the Works >>>> guideline: http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Work (Which just now I'm noticing is >>>> not official, is there another guideline somewhere?) and my interpretation >>>> of the Work entity is just what I thought in that it's supposed to be >>>> inline >>>> with how the general population understands of what a work or a song is. I >>>> don't see anything in the guideline about this mythical MB-Works of which >>>> I've never seen anyone mention on these lists or anywhere since I've been >>>> here. If the majority of the editors don't know of it's existence then how >>>> can we apply it? >>>> Furthermore, that "concept of of a song" would probably need ACs then if >>>> you want to use it in the same vein as performance, why were they not >>>> included? >>> >>> You'll have to ask the developers that decided to launch NGS when it was >>> far from beta yet :( >>>> >>>> Sebastien >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> MusicBrainz-style mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> MusicBrainz-style mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> MusicBrainz-style mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style > > > _______________________________________________ > MusicBrainz-style mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style > -- Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-style mailing list [email protected] http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
