On 27 June 2012 01:13, SwissChris <swissch...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:05 PM, practik <kronp...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> jesus2099 wrote >> > >> > >> > practik wrote >> >> >> >> As Nicolás has pointed out on this mailing list and on Jira, the >> >> English >> >> word "song" can be used for music without vocals: >> >> >> >> http://musicbrainz.1054305.n4.nabble.com/Work-type-documentation-td4636440.html#a4636457 >> >> http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-2766 (see his comment of 2 >> >> Jan >> >> 2012) >> >> >> > >> > This is only for english people, MB does not contain English works only, >> > nor English users only. >> > Where I live song means sung stuff. >> > If it does not mean that in English, just replace song type by VOCAL >> > type >> > and add INSTRUMENTAL type. >> > >> >> No, where you live "chanson" means sung stuff. I understand that many >> MusicBrainz editors are not English speakers, but many editors *are* >> English >> speakers, and very few of them would use the work type "song" for vocal >> works only. This, again, is why I think defining our work types is a good >> idea (I'm looking at you, SwissChris ;-)). > > > I believe that the cultural/semantic differences will make it impossible to > reach a consensus on a definition of "song". So leaving it to de discretion > of the editors, mostly working in genres and languages they are familiar > with, to choose song or not seems to make sense ;-) Maybe adding > (language-specific) genre "chanson", "Lied" "canzone" (and corresponding > terms in other languages, each defined differently) could be a solution? I > wouldn't mind much having "song" applied on english instrumental pop, but > like Jesus I think a french "chanson" necessarily has lyrics. > > My problem remains that I don't have a definition or even a term for a > "not-song" type in popular music in any of the languages I speak… >> >> >> Changing Song to Vocal and adding an Instrumental work type is not the >> solution, in my opinion, because those terms overlap with all the other >> types already on the list. Arias and motets are vocal works. Sonatas and >> symphonies are instrumental. Operas are both. > > > Classical is not at stake here: work types for most of the recorded > classical music are pretty well established and defined. For popular music I > agree that types vocal/instrumental are not a solution: These are not work > types (different semantic level) and are tricky to handle (instrumental > arrangements/performances of (vocal) songs?; lyrics added to previously > instrumental music?)
Considering that everyone more or less agrees that Song currently simply means "not classical", I think the sane thing to do is to rename Song to [non-classical] and simply set it as default. If you want to know whether or not a work is vocal or instrumental you can observe that from lyrics/performance credits, which are likely to be more accurate anyway. Any other characterisation of a pop-work should probably be done with genres or similar. -- Per / Wizzcat _______________________________________________ MusicBrainz-style mailing list MusicBrainz-style@lists.musicbrainz.org http://lists.musicbrainz.org/mailman/listinfo/musicbrainz-style
