Hi fellow dance musicians :) I feel so guilty for not responding back in late February as I asked the question about how to share rhythm grooves among band members. I was swamped with work and our toddler and am finally catching up on all things volunteer including band stuff. Apologies!
Anyway, I really appreciated Erik, Yaron, Meg and Sarah's comments. I'm just getting back onto how to work with our community band on this so I'll start with Sarah's idea on a few folks beginning with the groove and building from there. We've tried that in the past and I think what we really need to do is work on the listening part!!!! :) Thank you! Emily On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 4:07 PM, via Musicians < [email protected]> wrote: > Send Musicians mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/musicians- > sharedweight.net > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Musicians digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Learning/sharing/remembering rhythms > (Yaron Shragai via Musicians) > 2. Re: Learning/sharing/remembering rhythms > (Erik Hoffman via Musicians) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2017 17:09:41 -0500 > From: Yaron Shragai via Musicians <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Musicians] Learning/sharing/remembering rhythms > Message-ID: > <CAEPAPhSupdqh0q9iF74XnxeLWOHxguj1UjpeEyDQVQpc5MBing@mail. > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > The 123-123-12 rhythm appears in Middle Eastern, Balkan, and African music; > I would more than suspect that its occurrence in contra dance music has > come mainly via the African route, both via the slave influence in > Appalachian music and via the hippy/funky influence in modern contra. > > The klezmer/Romanian 123-123-12 has a different inflection to it - a > different articulation - the late great Balkan dance/int'l folk dance > teacher Dick Crum called it a "Get your Papers Here" rhythm - more of a > 2;1,2;1,2 articulation than a 3;3;2 articulation. > > ...Unless the rhythm you're thinking of is the rock-n-roll > boom-chuckboom-boomchuck - in which case we're back to the African > influence... > > - Yaron > > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 3:31 AM, Erik Hoffman via Musicians < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Max & All, > > > > Interesting that you learned the 3-3-2 rhythm as Klezmer. > > > > - Klezmer rhythm (123-123-12) > > > > > > So many of the people I've studied from say the 3-3-2 came from Africa. > It > > has invaded many other genres. When I first learned about it (other than > > the clave), it came at me three times in one year: > > * A bunch of fiddle bowings used in Old-Time Appalachian tunes (highly > > slave influenced) > > * A doumbek rhythm (an Arabic drum) > > * In hamboning--body rhythm with African roots, from when slaves had > > their drums taken away. > > __ > > > > Erik Hoffman > > Oakland, CA > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Musicians mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/musicians-sharedweight.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.sharedweight.net/pipermail/musicians- > sharedweight.net/attachments/20170224/cf56ee93/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2017 23:30:00 +0000 > From: Erik Hoffman via Musicians <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Musicians] Learning/sharing/remembering rhythms > Message-ID: > <CY4PR11MB1399990BDF9A228EF4A876A8D0520@CY4PR11MB1399. > namprd11.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Yaron, > > Thanks for this distinction. I?m going to play around with these > differences. > > ~Erik Hoffman > Oakland, CA > > From: Musicians [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Yaron Shragai via Musicians > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 2:10 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Musicians] Learning/sharing/remembering rhythms > > The 123-123-12 rhythm appears in Middle Eastern, Balkan, and African > music; I would more than suspect that its occurrence in contra dance music > has come mainly via the African route, both via the slave influence in > Appalachian music and via the hippy/funky influence in modern contra. > > The klezmer/Romanian 123-123-12 has a different inflection to it - a > different articulation - the late great Balkan dance/int'l folk dance > teacher Dick Crum called it a "Get your Papers Here" rhythm - more of a > 2;1,2;1,2 articulation than a 3;3;2 articulation. > > ...Unless the rhythm you're thinking of is the rock-n-roll > boom-chuckboom-boomchuck - in which case we're back to the African > influence... > > - Yaron > > > On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 3:31 AM, Erik Hoffman via Musicians < > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > Hi Max & All, > > Interesting that you learned the 3-3-2 rhythm as Klezmer. > > - Klezmer rhythm (123-123-12) > > > So many of the people I've studied from say the 3-3-2 came from Africa. It > has invaded many other genres. When I first learned about it (other than > the clave), it came at me three times in one year: > * A bunch of fiddle bowings used in Old-Time Appalachian tunes (highly > slave influenced) > * A doumbek rhythm (an Arabic drum) > * In hamboning--body rhythm with African roots, from when slaves had > their drums taken away. > __ > > Erik Hoffman > Oakland, CA > > > _______________________________________________ > Musicians mailing list > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/musicians-sharedweight.net > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.sharedweight.net/pipermail/musicians- > sharedweight.net/attachments/20170224/12413f1b/attachment-0001.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Musicians mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/musicians-sharedweight.net > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Musicians Digest, Vol 15, Issue 4 > **************************************** >
