Emily, Ross's Reel #4 seems a good change tune for Hull's Victory to me, and Cracking Chestnuts (David Smuckler and David Millstone's excellent book) agrees - they specifically mention that the melody emphasizes balances in the same part of the dance as Hull's Victory.
The book in question is available from CDSS, and is a great resource! https://www.cdss.org/vm-store/books/cracking-chestnuts-detail Cheers, Tim Ball On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:10 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > Send Musicians mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/musicians-sharedweight.net > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Musicians digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: A question about sharing music notation online (Emily Addison) > 2. Re: A question about sharing music notation online (Jeff Kaufman) > 3. Another Chestnut tune question (Emily Addison) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 10:54:03 -0500 > From: Emily Addison <[email protected]> > To: Erik Hoffman <[email protected]> > Cc: Emily Addison <[email protected]>, > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Musicians] A question about sharing music notation > online > Message-ID: > < > cad7wkuu_zhuegzqkn3tfhfxvfiywh6obavux-icj0dvsuyx...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Wonderful Erik! > I'll dig up Saddle the Pony. > As well as us doing lots of modern things, we'd like to work up 5-6 > Chestnuts and play them within the tradition. :) :) > Emily > > On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Erik Hoffman <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > It is traditional to play the tune. In the old days it would have been > > just the tune. When medlies became normal, the modern standard is: > > Signature Tune, Other Tune, last two or three times: Signature Tune > again. > > > > > > > > Saddle the Pony has been used by a number of bands, since it was used as > > an alternate tune on the New England Chestnuts LP. > > > > > > > > BTW: I?m glad you?re doing this. I always find it funny when callers say, > > ?as in Rory O?More,? and when I look around I find 99 percent of the > people > > have no idea what Rory O?More is? > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > ~Erik > > > > > > > > *From:* Musicians [mailto:[email protected]] *On > > Behalf Of *Emily Addison via Musicians > > *Sent:* Monday, October 30, 2017 7:49 AM > > *To:* [email protected] > > *Subject:* [Musicians] A question about sharing music notation online > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > A question for you about general etiquette on posting recently composed > > tunes (as in last 20-30yrs). > > > > > > > > I've seen MANY MANY recently composed tunes online through websites like > > The Session but also contra websites too. Often these are posted by > > someone other than the composer and it's not listed as to whether they > have > > permission to post. > > > > > > > > Here in Ottawa, our community band (we're not pros and play almost all > our > > gigs for free.), we're working on learning a varied contra music > repertoire > > for dancing. In fact, our community band is called 'Stolen Goods' as > we're > > about learning from others. > > > > > > > > I've been thinking that it would be nice to post our sets online as part > > of the wider sharing so that others can benefit... just like we've > > benefited from looking at what others (like SPUDS) have posted. > > > > > > > > What's the etiquette here? > > > > > > > > For instance, we play a handful of Keith Murphy tunes and he's got books. > > And we have Larry Unger and others too... > > > > > > > > If we post a few is that ok? Seems that's what others do, especially in > > irish and quebecois traditions but I'm just not sure as some of the > contra > > musicians have tune books. Could refer to a few tune books. > > > > > > > > Also, we've written out a few sets from other bands (e.g., one from Wild > > Asparagus) as we're trying to learn from their groove/chord lines etc. > and > > we are just a local learning band that plays for 20 dancers. If we only > > have 1-2 from a particular band, are those ok to post? > > > > > > > > Looking for your thoughts! > > > > > > > > By no means do I need to post of course... ... .just interested in giving > > back to the wider community what we've been learning over the last number > > of years. > > > > > > > > With thanks :) > > > > Emily Addison in Ottawa > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.sharedweight.net/pipermail/musicians-sharedweight.net/attachments/20171030/85f093c3/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 11:59:15 -0400 > From: Jeff Kaufman <[email protected]> > To: Emily Addison <[email protected]> > Cc: Sarah Gowan <[email protected]>, [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Musicians] A question about sharing music notation > online > Message-ID: > <CAK36jCM5ERaQ61H-mD1fnVtQzrN0=4WC+QGaYEvK_waP= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > For the BIDA open band tune list [1] I've just put up copies of the > tunes on the list. If someone were unhappy to have their tune out > there I'd definitely take it down. These are all very widely played > tunes so I doubt anyone minds. > > In general, I think even if an author has a very economics focused > view of tune distribution and is trying to maximize profits they > should still be fine with people playing their tunes at dances and > passing around the notation: the more people play a tune and build up > arrangements the more people put it on their CDs and the more composer > royalties you get. > > Jeff > > [1] https://www.bidadance.org/open-band-tune-list though we're in the > process of updating it > > On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Emily Addison via Musicians > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Sarah, > > > > This is VERY helpful information and sounds like a great way to proceed! > > BTW - SPUDS is one of my very favourite places to go look for new > material > > for our community band... we love experimenting and reaching ever further > > and without the internet (and my buying MANY MANY MANY tune books), it > would > > be hard to do that as we're relatively isolated up here in Ottawa. > > > > Thanks :) > > Emily > > > > On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Sarah Gowan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Emily- > >> > >> I?m the curator of the SPUDS online tune library - I?m so happy to hear > >> other groups find our site useful! It?s my policy to ask composers (if > >> known) if we have permission to post their tunes. Some, like Bob > McQuillen, > >> gave us free reign to arrange them how we wish and freely post any of > their > >> tunes. Others prefer only certain tunes or ask that we include contact > and > >> licensing information. Beware that trad tunes aren?t necessarily exempt. > >> Some people are very proprietary about their arrangements. I removed a > >> version of a traditional tune from one of my sites because a musician > >> recognized his arrangement and wanted credit. I didn?t get it from his > book, > >> but also didn?t want the hassle, so it was easier to simply take it > down and > >> use a different version. > >> > >> If there are a hundred versions of a tune online already, I generally > >> don?t get too anxious about reposting. If there are none or maybe one, I > >> definitely ask. You can?t assume that because one site has posted them, > that > >> it?s ok for you to do the same. Some groups, like Princeton, avoid > copyright > >> problems by password-protecting access to their files so only group > members > >> can use them. They still ask composers if it?s ok to post, though. > >> > >> From the composer side - I?ve had people post some of my compositions > and > >> the only time I get annoyed is when they don?t include my name or try to > >> sell them. (Yes that really happened). But I make most of my tunes > freely > >> available online anyway and I?m not trying to make a living as a > musician. > >> > >> Hope this is helpful, > >> > >> Sarah > >> https://www.thursdaycontra.com/~spuds/TuneLinks.html > >> > >> On Oct 30, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Emily Addison via Musicians > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Hi All, > >> > >> A question for you about general etiquette on posting recently composed > >> tunes (as in last 20-30yrs). > >> > >> I've seen MANY MANY recently composed tunes online through websites like > >> The Session but also contra websites too. Often these are posted by > someone > >> other than the composer and it's not listed as to whether they have > >> permission to post. > >> > >> Here in Ottawa, our community band (we're not pros and play almost all > our > >> gigs for free.), we're working on learning a varied contra music > repertoire > >> for dancing. In fact, our community band is called 'Stolen Goods' as > we're > >> about learning from others. > >> > >> I've been thinking that it would be nice to post our sets online as part > >> of the wider sharing so that others can benefit... just like we've > benefited > >> from looking at what others (like SPUDS) have posted. > >> > >> What's the etiquette here? > >> > >> For instance, we play a handful of Keith Murphy tunes and he's got > books. > >> And we have Larry Unger and others too... > >> > >> If we post a few is that ok? Seems that's what others do, especially in > >> irish and quebecois traditions but I'm just not sure as some of the > contra > >> musicians have tune books. Could refer to a few tune books. > >> > >> Also, we've written out a few sets from other bands (e.g., one from Wild > >> Asparagus) as we're trying to learn from their groove/chord lines etc. > and > >> we are just a local learning band that plays for 20 dancers. If we > only > >> have 1-2 from a particular band, are those ok to post? > >> > >> Looking for your thoughts! > >> > >> By no means do I need to post of course... ... .just interested in > giving > >> back to the wider community what we've been learning over the last > number of > >> years. > >> > >> With thanks :) > >> Emily Addison in Ottawa > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Musicians mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/musicians-sharedweight.net > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Musicians mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/musicians-sharedweight.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 11:09:57 -0500 > From: Emily Addison <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Musicians] Another Chestnut tune question > Message-ID: > <CAD7WKUUxx_vuPPOrApepG85sdSSo8=M3jpC02N5j= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi All, > > One more question from me! This one about another Chestnut Dance... Hull's > Victory. > > The first tune we plan to do is Hull's Victory which makes sense. :) :) > > However I'd like to do another tune after and Ross's Reel #4 sounds really > good. ... ... my concern is I think this has been associated with another > chestnut dance??? ??? > Thoughts? > > And any tunes you traditionally associate with Hull's Victory (the dance)? > > Thanks! > Emily > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.sharedweight.net/pipermail/musicians-sharedweight.net/attachments/20171030/0da35950/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Musicians mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.sharedweight.net/listinfo.cgi/musicians-sharedweight.net > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Musicians Digest, Vol 20, Issue 3 > **************************************** >
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