* Michael H. Warfield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 07:25:24PM -0700, Michael Jennings wrote:
> > On Thursday, 30 September 1999, at 21:53:18 (-0400),
> > Michael H. Warfield wrote:
>
> > > Interesting... Except I'm not running eterm or rxvt.
>
> > I can't say I sympathize with your plight much, in that case. :-)
>
> > > I'm using xterm.
>
> > Then you're pretty much screwed. See below.
>
> Hmmm...
>
> Not as badly screwed as the last time I tried eterm. See below.
>
> > > System #1, RedHat 5.2: xterm -v => XFree86 3.3.3(88)
> > > System #2, RedHat 6.0: xterm -v => XFree86 3.3.3.1b(88b)
>
> > > Simple question... If it's the terminal and not mutt, why does
> > > it only occur with mutt? I can do the same thing with vi (vim) in color
> > > mode and not have the problem. I can do the same thing with cat and less
> > > and more and man and not have the same problem. I never had the problem
> > > with elm, but elm didn't have a color mode so that's not a point on the
> > > curve after all... If it's the terminal, why is mutt different than all
> > > of these others? If it's the terminal, what is mutt doing different (than
> > > vim specifically since vim is using color mode just like mutt) that
> > > is triggering the problem?
>
> > > I hope that doesn't come across sounding like I'm irritated
> > > 'cause I'm not. I'm just curious as to what the parameters are that
> > > are causing this...
>
> > It doesn't only occur with mutt. It will occur with any program or
> > screen management library/utility which chooses to use spaces to fill
> > to the end of a line rather than using the EL sequence (termcap field
> > "ce", clear to end). For example, jed has the exact same behavior on
>
> That sounds like an application error to me...
I think you have to pad with spaces for coloured text to retain its
colour on the next line. I don't know much about this stuff though.
> To be perfectly honest, if an application padded a line out with
> spaces, I would expect to be able to cut and paste those spaces. If
> an app is at the end of a line, it should indicate so without spacing
> out (figuratively and literally). When you say "It will occur with any
> ... which chooses to use spaces to fill to the end of a line..." it occurs
> to me "Ok... It sound to me like we just identified the source of the
> problem and the choice was wrong." What's the downside to using the EL
> sequence?
>
[snip]
>
> That says that mutt was compiled with ncurses 4.2, not slang. Same
> thing on both my RedHat 5.2 system and my RedHat 6.0 system. This isn't
> something peculiar to slang or am I missinterpreting something here (like
> libc6 being the same thing as glibc2).
>
> > can use a terminal that leaves the choice to you, or you can stick
> > with your current terminal and leave the choice to
> > SLang/ncurses/curses. It's entirely up to you. I can't think of any
> > other "solution."
>
> > Michael
>
> > PS: I swear I'm not trying to sound like a sales pitch here, although
> > I probably am. :-)
>
> Lost me on that one... What are you selling?
Eterm! He, like, wrote it.
> Sorry for being dense. I only switched to mutt less than a week
> ago (and I'll never fire up elm again) and am still getting over some of
> the minor (incredibly minor) differences that I have to retrain my fingers
> for. I'm fairly new to this list and I've missed some past discussions.
>
> BTW... I've played with eterm in the past. Didn't like it.
> Too much of the eye candy got seriously in the way and I couldn't figure
> out (didn't have the time to figure out) how to make it behave. On
> the KISS level (at least the default KISS level) the suckage factor
> was less with xterm than eterm. Like I don't WANT every terminal window
> to come up with a different image unless I have explicity told it to.
So tell it not to. Its pretty darn configurable. And has the option
to display the behaviour you seem to require. I don't see what you're
complaining about. If you have a problem with xterm, which you cannot
circumvent, but another application has an option to fix your problem,
at the cost of editing one line in a config file to turn off the
backgrounds... Switch applications!
I did.
Anyway, if your determined to KISS, then put up with the spaces. I
think putting up with behaviour you don't want when an alternative is
available fulfils both of those S's ;-)
Tom.
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