An interesting post to read following our discussion about "dumbed
down Linux" at the MyLUG meet yesterday.

S.


On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:05:16 +0530, Srini Ramakrishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> I love my command line. I also hate that Linux is becoming mainstream
> - well it's love+hate really. I like what it's doing to some of the
> apps; but I hate what it's doing to the community.
> 
> Cheeni
> 
> http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/12/26/1745214
> 
> Is the command line necessary for most Linux users?
> Monday January 05, 2004 (08:42 AM GMT)
> By: Robin 'Roblimo' Miller
> 
>  Every time I write an article about normal people using Linux with
> little or no training, a few weisenhimers inevitably accuse me of
> being an overly optimistic advocate by not warning readers that it
> takes a least some knowledge of Bash to run and maintain a Linux
> installation. The problem with this accusation is that it might have
> been true in 1998, but it is not true in 2004. It is now possible to
> run Linux without knowing any commands beyond point-and-click,
> cut-and-paste, and drag-and-drop. Indeed, those are the only ones I
> use for everyday computing myself.
> 
> I made a conscious decision to use as much point-and-click and as
> little command line arcana as I could back in 2000. My reasoning was
> simple: If I wanted to have command line computing, I might as well go
> back to an 8088 running DOS instead of having all kinds of fancy
> modern computer gear around me. I became totally unreasonable on this
> subject. If a Linux distribution forced me to type abbreviations like
> /mnt/moretyping/moretyping/ to play a music CD instead of clicking on
> a desktop icon, I would find a distribution that gave me the icon.
> 
> At the time, Mandrake was the pointiest and clickiest Linux
> distribution around, so I started using it instead of Red Hat, which
> was the first Linux flavor I tried. (I stuck with Mandrake through
> 2002, when SUSE started exceeding Mandrake in user-friendliness; I'm
> currently experimenting with several Debian-based distros, notably
> Mepis.)
> 
> Back in 1998 and 1999 I often felt like I was the world's only
> non-geek Linux user. Eric S. Raymond flamed me hard and long on a
> Gnome email list for my refusal to use vi or emacs instead of
> searching for a GUI-based text/HTML editor. And if I wanted one that
> badly, he said, I shouldn't try to get others to write it, but should
> write it myself or I wasn't fit to use Linux. I'm just as hard-headed
> as Eric, so I came right back at him. The reality was -- and still is
> -- that most people who use computers as tools instead of toys want
> their computers' operation to be as simple as possible, but this
> concept had not yet penetrated "the Linux community."
> 
> Those of us who refuse to become at least jackleg programmers just to
> write and print a letter aren't necessarily stupid. We just have other
> things on our minds -- like our jobs -- but getting this point through
> to some of the self-styled "Linux community leaders" was not easy.
> You'd think they would have gotten the message when they watched Ralph
> Nader -- as strong a free software advocate as you'll find anywhere,
> and a man no one can possibly call stupid -- use Windows to show
> slides during a speech about why free software ideals would
> revolutionize computing, not because Ralph wanted to use Windows, but
> because he didn't have time to learn how to make and display a simple
> presentation with the Linux tools available at the time.
> 
> I always considered the "scratch your own itch" hacker ethos an
> essentially masturbatory thing. It would be like me writing articles
> *I* want to read instead of articles I think *you* want to read. Much
> of the free software programming tide has swung away from that
> attitude in the past few years, and we're seeing more software
> developed that satisfies the programmers' friends' and families' needs
> at least as much as their own. One of the prime examples of this is
> Bluefish, a lovely GUI-based text/HTML editor I have used since early
> in its development cycle. It is the editing tool I longed for back in
> the 20th century. Today I have it -- along with a stable, feature-rich
> Mozilla Web browser, OpenOffice.org, and other excellent, user-level
> programs that make Linux as smooth a work tool (for my humble needs)
> as any desktop operating system in the world.
> 
> A lot of this advance in Linux "community" thinking has come about
> because the stereotype teenage open source hacker working on obscure
> command line projects his parents could never figure out has gone
> away, replaced by an image of adult open source developers who want
> their coworkers and families to use Linux so they'll stop pestering
> them with Windows support questions.
> 
> The funny thing is, yesterday's inward-turned free software hackers
> and today's outward-looking free software developers are often the
> same people, just a little older, with their acne cleared up. And
> members of the next generation coming up have always used GUIs on
> their desktops -- they are too young to remember DOS or CP/M -- so we
> can expect to see increasingly sophisticated open source desktop
> environments, even as the underlying structures keep improving.
> 
> A stable Linux desktop will run for years
> 
> This point is apparently lost on the people who still believe even the
> humblest Linux end user needs command line training, but I tell you
> from personal experience that if you set up a desktop Linux system
> correctly in the first place, it should not need any command
> line-level maintenance. Most people don't run around experimenting
> with webcams or other expensive periperhals. They buy a computer,
> monitor, printer, and perhaps a scanner and digital camera, and use
> them until they wear out. "Normal" people don't open up their
> computers and install the latest Nforcia 5-D GameMeister UltraVideo
> HDTV card as soon as it hits the market; they use what originally came
> in their computers and don't think about upgrading at all beyond
> (perhaps) adding some RAM. If they want fancy games they buy a PS2 or
> an Xbox, and if they want better stereo sound, they buy a better
> stereo. They buy standalone TiVos instead of trying to make their
> computers into digital video recorders or, more recently, simply sign
> up for the TiVo-like services now being pushed by cable and satellite
> TV providers.
> 
> Most "real world" desktop (and laptop) computers function as
> combination office machines and Internet terminals. It is easy to
> install a desktop Linux system that will do these jobs. Heck, you can
> now buy computers preloaded with Linux, and buy printers and digital
> cameras certified to work with them, all from the same vendor. And
> once you have one of these systems, there is no need -- ever -- to do
> anything beyond point and click until the thing breaks down and either
> gets sent off to a repair shop or gets replaced by a newer model.
> 
> Warning: Automotive analogy ahead!
> 
> Many years ago I decided I wanted a cool custom van. I bought a used
> (windowless) Ford Econoline, put in hatches and opening windows, added
> chrome wheels, installed a monster stereo, put in a floor and -- I
> hate to admit, but it was the early 70s -- yellow shag carpeting. I
> installed paneling and built some simple (varnished wood) bunks and
> other interior furniture, then talked a girlfriend into sewing some
> cushions and curtains. I added overload rear springs and heavy-duty
> shocks to give my van a slight "rake," and put on a chrome roof rack,
> added a CB radio and a high-stick antenna, painted the thing bright
> blue and had my body shop buddy Juan do some exotic pinstriping, and
> when it was all done I had the perfect machine for cruising Van Nuys
> Boulevard.
> 
> Now you can buy "custom" vans, brand new, from car dealers. Young men
> no longer commonly dress out their cars' engines and park with their
> hoods open so passers-by -- hopefully cute females -- can "oooh" and
> "aaah" over their chromed-up powerplants. You can still find a few
> extreme performance mods out there, but true Hot Rod Culture has
> largely been replaced by blanded-down, TV-advertised "performance"
> cars (Warning: professional driver on closed course) that are not
> nearly as cool as something you create with your own hands.
> 
> Rap has gone from the hallmark of an underground culture to part of
> mass market America. And so it is going with Linux, which is -- sorry,
> hard-core hackers -- becoming an operating system choice, not a club.
> You can now drive along Van Nuys Boulevard in a store-bought "custom"
> car or on a chopped and custom-painted Harley you (shudder) bought
> that way, carrying a store-bought Linux laptop hooked to the Internet
> through your cellular phone, and no one will sneer at you.
> 
> Well, hardly anyone. A few old-school types might, but we are on our
> way out and we know it. Such is life. (sigh)
> 
> Slick paint doesn't mean 'dumbed down'
> 
> A car with a cool paint job can still be a fine machine under the
> hood, and a Linux distribution with an attractive GUI interface can
> still have all the powerful GNU and other command line tools anyone
> could want. Anyone who wants to tweak and tune SUSE or Mandrake or
> Fedora or Xandros or Mepis or even Lindows can do so to his heart's
> content, just as I like to do my own oil changes, tuneups and other
> minor Jeep maintenance and improvement tasks, even if most drivers
> hardly know how to find the hood release these days.
> 
> I don't sneer at people who own cars and don't know how to fix them
> (at least not much, and never in public), and I don't think
> command-line Linux people should openly sneer at those who prefer
> icons to terminal windows.
> 
> Those who don't modify or repair their own computers or cars don't
> suffer much by not maximizing their machines' performance. They
> probably don't notice the difference, and even if they did they'd
> shrug it off as unimportant. Maybe *I* think it's studly to get an
> extra two miles per gallon and 15 - 25 horsepower more than stock out
> of my Jeep Cherokee, but is it really worth spending over $300 on a
> Jet Module, plus $150 or so worth on premium ignition parts and a
> hi-flo air filter, not to mention 20 cents per gallon extra for
> premium gas every time I go to the gas station?
> 
> Then, of course, we can start doing internal engine modifications and
> overclocking our computers. And the quest for more speed and better
> handling can go on and on, until we spend all our time and most of our
> money modifying our cars and computers while other -- I really should
> say "saner" -- people go to parties, play sports, watch movies, go
> dancing, and travel.
> 
> World Linux domination!
> 
> The old line was "Linux world domination." Perhaps this will come to
> pass one day, but what's more likely is that the world will come to
> accept and dominate Linux, not the other way around.
> 
> The Linux of 2010 will be a totally smooth operating system. It will
> have a GUI so much more evoloved than anything today that you'll want
> to cry when you remember what you put up with back in '03 and '04.
> 
> Other operating systems will also advance. Microsoft, finally faced
> with real competition, is not going to sit there passively or rely
> solely on lawyers and lobbyists to keep sales up. Apple will keep on
> thinking different. BeOS might get resurrected. A consumer-level BSD
> Unix might be developed. And something entirely new might come along;
> there are several incipient operating systems out there that show
> major potential.
> 
> I'm sure there will always be a fully-malleable command line interface
> beneath the evolved version of Linux, but it will be purely for
> programmers. Ordinary people will never need to use it or even be
> aware that it exists. If they have system problems that can most
> easily be corrected through command line manipulation, they will
> probably allow their Linux provider to log into their machine(s) and
> repair the problems -- and chances are the Linux providers will use
> automated remote diagnosis and repair tools by then, not human
> programmers, except in the most drastic cases -- which will probably
> turn out to be hardware problems that require physical action to fix,
> anyway.
> 
> What I'm predicting here is exactly what members of the old "Linux
> should only be for geeks like us" club have always feared: Linux that
> Sam Sixpack and Polly Pina Colada can use it as thoughtlessly as they
> use Windows today. It is part of the "World dominates Linux" process,
> and it is going to happen whether you like it or not.
> 
> The funny thing is, most of the best Linux and free software
> developers I know are not against Linux becoming massively successful.
> Indeed, some of the more forward-looking ones see this move as a
> business opportunity. They know that someone is going to need to
> develop (and profit from) the services that will inevitably surround
> consumer-level Linux but don't yet exist, and the most forward-looking
> developers of all are already working so hard to develop those
> services that they don't have time to worry about whether or not it's
> good to see user-level Linux moving farther away from its command line
> roots and deeper into the GUI camp a little more each day.
> 
> 


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