With any feature it's important to evaluate the benefits. I would guess that most current users of Mylyn are developers. These people are are used to seeing source code. The source viewer provides a 'good enough' approach to highlighting the markup, so for these users I don't see much benefit in hiding markup, given the draw-backs and effort required to create a 'hidden markup' editor.
With the advent of Tasktop the profile of the user-base is likely to change to less technical users. For these people a WYSIWYG editor would be more beneficial, since the idea of source code to them would be somewhat foreign. As demand increases we should continue to reevaluate priorities and if the need arrises, we can look at a 'hidden markup' approach. Note that to build a great editor with these capabilities will be extremely difficult, especially considering some types of markup (eg: tables). To loosely quote Mik, even very large companies with unlimited resources haven't been able to get it completely right. Of course all of this is my opinion -- I would be interested to see some community feedback on this issue. David On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 7:25 AM, David Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With any feature it's important to evaluate the benefits. I would guess > that most current users of Mylyn are developers. These people are are used > to seeing source code. The source viewer provides a 'good enough' approach > to highlighting the markup, so for these users I don't see much benefit in > hiding markup, given the draw-backs and effort required to create a 'hidden > markup' editor. > With the advent of Tasktop the profile of the user-base is likely to change > to less technical users. For these people a WYSIWYG editor would be more > beneficial, since the idea of source code to them would be somewhat foreign. > > As demand increases we should continue to reevaluate priorities and if the > need arrises, we can look at a 'hidden markup' approach. Note that to build > a great editor with these capabilities will be extremely difficult, > especially considering some types of markup (eg: tables). To loosely quote > Mik, even very large companies with unlimited resources haven't been able to > get it completely right. > > Of course all of this is my opinion -- I would be interested to see some > community feedback on this issue. > > David > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 6:58 AM, Mik Kersten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> That's good to hear Ketan. >> >> Currently the only way to make the markup disappear is if you click the >> Preview tab, in which case the markup is rendered as HTML. David Green >> and >> I had some additional conversation about this, and thought that going with >> the rich markup mode was the best compromise. But I could imagine >> something >> like the following: >> * Provide a "Hide Markup" button. >> * For inserting new markup, Ctrl+Space or a toolbar button is used >> * In this mode, the markup does not appear in the source viewer, but does >> appear in the backing document. >> >> There is trickiness with this approach. For example, if I start hitting >> backspace over something that has nested markup, at some point the markup >> has to get deleted. For example, Microsoft Word still has usability >> issues >> with these ranges of markup, which is why sometimes a word will become >> bold >> if it gets into a stray markup region due to deleting characters or >> paragraphs. But it could be that a few simple heuristics here would be >> sufficient. >> >> David: have you considered a "Hide Markup" mode? >> >> Mik >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Ketan Padegaonkar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 11:42 PM >> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mylyn Integrators list >> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Subject: Re: [mylyn-integrators] Mylyn WikiText component >> > >> > >> > On 14-Aug-08, at 6:20 AM, Mik Kersten wrote: >> > >> > > Here's a summary of the new Mylyn WikiText component: >> > > >> > > http://tasktop.com/blog/?p=37 >> > >> > I've looked at Texile-J before, looked at the screenshot and find that >> > integrating mylyn with texile-j is indeed a good idea. >> > >> > We've been working on a similar WYSIWYG editor, however the markup is >> > *still* visible, which does not make it a true WYSIWYG editor. It is >> > still better than having no WYSIWYG. Are there any plans to make this >> > markup disappear in the near future? >> > >> > -- Ketan >> >> >
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