Dear J.T. - Fowler, J.T. writes: > This does not have to be fancy with lots of bells & whistles. In fact - the > simpler the screen interface the better for the people who will be using > this. I.E. text entry - tabular displays of valid entry values. Point and > click would be nice but really is not required. I'm a little confused by your thinking here. The typical thinking (to which I also ascribe) is that you need better interfaces when your users are less sophisticated. The web has been such a success because it's intuitive. > To pick your brain - given what I have written above - which of the tools > you listed as having used - would be the simplest overall to use? Although you were quite clear that you want the simplest I'm talking more about what tools are the most productive. Well, let's start with Xemacs. Xemacs is the most powerful text editor that exists and I'm not prone to superlatives. In roles like ours DBA, programmer, sys admin... you spend a large portion of your time on the computer editing text. I've personally made the investment to become familiar with this tool and am grateful that I did. Achieving this comfort level with such a complex tool has taken a lot of time and effort though and you should expect that. If you already have a text editor that you find sufficient then you don't need xemacs, but if it doesn't color code keywords or provide auto-indentation then you should look long and hard at xemacs. There are loads of books on emacs (usually the GNU flavor, xemacs has a more complete GUI). I would start by going through the tutorial and then browsing the *info* documentation. Second pick a database. Oh yeah, you chose MySQL; good choice. Get the Paul Dubois book. Next, decide on the interface, web or not. It may be easier for you to develop a text interface given your limited experience with html but, you should probably bite the bullet here it's not that hard. If you choose to do web you'll have to get and learn the Apache web server fortunately this is really easy to use. It's a little dated but I still use just the O'Reilly book "Apache, the definitive guide" and on-line docs which come with the software. You can use IIS on NT of course, but it costs money and isn't cross-platform. It is very simple to use. Finally you need to write programs. I prefer perl for several reasons most important are that it there's an enormous collection of freely available pre-existing libraries written by much better programmers than me and it's enormously flexibly so I don't have to know more than one language. I recently heard it referred to as the "swiss army chainsaw" of programming languages. There are tons of good books. I would start with two again published by O'Reilly they are "Learning Perl" and "Programming Perl". Read the former and use the latter for reference. If however you just want to develop a web application with MySQL you may prefer PHP, it's easier to learn and use. You may want to ask the more specific question of Perl vs. PHP of the MySQL list which has a lot of PHP coders lurking. You don't need UML, though it's quite interesting. Don't use java it's too slow and immature. It doesn't even contain adequate mechanisms for escaping text, good grief. Yours - Billy --------------------------------------------------------------------- Before posting, please check: http://www.mysql.com/manual.php (the manual) http://lists.mysql.com/ (the list archive) To request this thread, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To unsubscribe, e-mail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Trouble unsubscribing? Try: http://lists.mysql.com/php/unsubscribe.php