> It seems that once again a taiwan.com address has been subscribed
> to this mailing list. In case you haven't noticed, taiwan.com
> has a very broken mailer, which sends an error message to
> whoever posts anything on this list. Apart from this being
> annoying (especially since the date on taiwan.com's mail server
> is one day into the future), I have in the past received several
> spam mails from taiwan.com. I have no reason to believe that
> my address was not harvested from this list, so I think it would
> be in the interest of everyone here to have taiwan.com banned.
> Is this a reasonable request, or should I just ask the admin
> of my mail server to add a filter?
>
> //C
>
> database,sql,query,table


Carl,

I have just spent over three weeks trying to reestablish email contact with a personal 
friend in the States.
Someone at my ISP has apparently been ACCUSED of spamming someone at his ISP. The 
reaction was to 'bounce' all
email between the two domains. The fact that I have my own sub-domain completely 
escaped their
attention/interest. The baby was thrown out with the bathwater! I have finally managed 
to get the two ISPs
talking (not an easy task when one is 'bouncing' the other's domain!) Duh!!!???

Freedom of speech: <<insert standard speech here>>
Open systems begins with the word "open": <<insert speech about the principle of 
banning in general, here>>
Like any 'security' measure, as fast as you build a wall, the 'bad guys' are figuring 
a way
over/under/around/through it...
Although we are both Vets and 11Nov a very significant date on our calendar, resist 
the temptation to <<talk
about having fought for "freedom and justice, blah, blah, blah>>>

Personally I hate spam. I'm also ticked off by list-bounce msgs. However I was 
mightily insulted to be unfairly
and unjustly banned - and left with no means of recourse (guilty until proven 
innocent, which is not my memory
of the intent of the American Constitution as I pointed out to my Yankee tormentors) - 
and all because (at least
one of) the two ISPs couldn't be bothered to speak nicely with the other - and that 
all because some person in
the States felt that hitting the DELete key or installing a rules/filter was more 
hassle (for him/her)...

To prevent the waste of bandwidth the 'higher' up the food-chain these people can be 
shut-down, the better.
However automated bans carry a 'risk' of shutting out some of the 'good' in a 
doomed-attempt to 'prevent' the
'bad'. Therefore the 'higher up' the filter, the greater amount of 'good' gets caught 
up and unjustly banned
(think of the filter on this list which does not include "data analysis", apparently 
not even "MySQL" (read the
warning msg), and certainly not a list of all the MySQL commands...and how often that 
incorrectly slaps-down
genuine contributors.

Ultimately spam is a personal taste (both the meat product and the email variety) - 
some people like email
advertising (and don't think it's spam). Today in and amongst the viagra, porn, 
won-holidays, and get-rich-quick
schemes I found my first advert for a squirrel-proof winter bird feeder. The first was 
almost amusing. The next
will definitely be spam! Our newspapers and magazines are full of irrelevant 
advertising, but we learned to
'deal with them' and now barely even notice.

Recommend the list leave filtering alone.
Recommend you (with apologies), I, and everyone else affected, install personal/client 
email filtering, tuned to
our own personal tastes and irritation-factors.
=dn



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