They actually don't promise any data provision. I attempted to send an image of where it says this in the pdf but it was too large. Yet, they are still stealing from trolltech if they haven't purchased an agreement to use Qt.
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dewey Smolka Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:05 PM To: Discussion about mythtv Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] Another commercial MythTV box > > > > If I buy one of these devices and then use it in my home, that appears > > > to me to be non-commercial use. As far as zap2it.com is concerned it > > > places no greater load than if i brewed my own mythbox. > > > > > > IMHO commercial use would be, say, downloading information from > > > zap2it.com and re-selling it. > > > > Your HO is flat out 100% wrong. > > Explain? Actually I was only commenting on the previous poster's post, > and he referred to the "commercial" use. How is it commercial use for me to access the service? Nobody is talking about you accessing the service. The commercial part comes when a company sells Myth boxes with a promise of program data without monthly fees. It's not exactly copying and reselling labs.zap2it data, but it's pretty close. A PVR is pretty much worthless without program data (note, this is only about the TV recording capabilities of Myth, not the music/video/weather/etc features). If I start selling Myth boxes (or worse, closed and rebranded Myth boxes) with the understanding, either implicit or explicit, that the program data is free, then I am defrauding the customer because I have no control over the data and cannot gurantee its availability, and violating the agreement with zap2it because I don't have the right to use their data for commercial purposes. It's not about reselling zap2it's free service, which would get you hot water very quickly. It's about using zap2it's free service as a selling point for a decidedly commercial venture -- selling hardware that runs MythTV (or a closed, rebranded MythTV that violates the GPL). That is why your HO is 100% wrong. We here are very fortunate to have zap2it provide listings for us for free -- without program data there would be far fewer people using Myth, and far less development at a much slower pace. We would like to continue to recieve zap2it data, and therefore do not like it when people do things that threaten this service (let alone when they try to rip the GPL out of Myth). We are also very fortunate to have a commercial venture called LxM which provides listings and other value-added services for MythTV for a very reasonable price, and which respects the open foundation upon which MythTV was built, as well as expressly giving back to the further development of the project. The moral of the story is that if you sell Myth boxes, it is a commercial venture. If it is a commercial venture the seller cannot give away zap2it's data, but can and should steer the customer to LxM, which also provides data. This also means that the commercial venture contributes back to community at least indirectly through LxM subscriptions, and hopefully directly, since anyone selling them surely has some ideas how to improve Myth and the time to do so, especially because working with Myth would be a full-time job. Get it? _______________________________________________ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
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