Would it read "DENIED" and "thank you for your $100,000.00" application fee? Or is that a bogus tale I heard about the cost of application.
On 1/11/06, Joe Votour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- H P Ladds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > " The cable companies will wind up killing shooting > > themselves in the foot if they're not careful. > > IPTV > > over DSL using MPEG-4 is steadily catching up." > > > > Will IPTV help us? The consortium of content > > producers (CableLabs) > > will still demand that the content be encrypted. > > Linux and Open Source need not apply for approval? > > > > Still, I'm with you, someone shot has themselves in > > the foot. The > > content producers just handed control of a large > > portion of their > > distribution channel to Microsoft -- I wish them the > > best of luck in > > trying to get it back. > > > > > > > > <snip> > > You've got the purpose of CableLabs confused. When > they're not accepting kickbacks, charging a fortune > for product certification, and constantly changing > their specifications without incrementing version > numbers, they are supposed to be the unified voice of > the cable operators. They have nothing to do with the > content producers. > > IPTV is not subject to CableLabs approval, at least > not in it's current incarnation. In fact, nothing is > really subject to CableLabs approval (see the number > of uncertified DOCSIS 1.0 cable modems about five > years ago), but if you don't get your products > CableLabs certified, then you likely won't be allowed > to bid on contracts put forth by the cable operators. > > (Yes, I dislike CableLabs, and I don't hide it. In my > view, they really are an incompetent and corrupt > organization.) > > That said, open source hardware or software will never > get CableLabs approval. CableLabs reserves the right > to revoke encryption keys on devices if they are > compromised (and I'm surprised they didn't revoke > Motorola's keys when a bunch of their modems were > cracked - but, Motorola is one of the key players in > CableLabs). > > CableLabs is now much more open than it used to be - > previously the submission documents required > membership to view, but they are now freely available > on the CableLabs website. These documents show some > of the requirements for security that CableCARD will > have to meet: > http://www.opencable.com/downloads/Host_2.0_DCAA.pdf > http://www.opencable.com/downloads/CHILA.pdf > > From the second document: > As to each of the Host Devices made under this > Agreement, Licensee covenants to CableLabs as follows: > (i) The Host Device, at the time manufactured, > contains no integrated circuit, ROM, RAM, software or > other device or functionality that: > (1) enables copying or recording of Controlled > Content, other > than as permitted by the Compliance Rules or > (2) interferes with or disables the ability of a > Cable Operator to communicate with or disable a > CableCARD or services being transmitted through a > CableCARD. > (ii) At the time of manufacture, it will maintain > control of content copies consistent with copy control > instructions or the encryption mode indicator bits > transmitted with digital signals as specified in the > OpenCable Specifications. > (iii) At the time of manufacture, it is designed to > effectively frustrate tampering and reverse > engineering directed towards defeating copy protection > requirements in accordance with the Robustness Rules. > (iv) At the time of manufacture, it will not transmit > or decode > Controlled Content received from the cable television > transmission without proper authorization from the > Cable Operator. > (v) As used in this section 9.2(c), "at the time of > manufacture" shall mean at the time of manufacture > of the Host Device and shall also include, but is not > limited to, any subsequent modifications, upgrades, > downloads, modules, plug-ins, or attachments to such > Host Device made by or at the direction of Licensee or > its Affiliates, or otherwise specifically promoted, > marketed, distributed by or at the direction of > Licensee or its Affiliates. > (vi) Licensee shall not service any licensed product > that it determines to have been modified after > manufacture to be non-Compliant. > << End of CableLabs document>> > > So, in short, Open Source will get the big red > "DENIED" stamp on CableCARD. Our only hope is reverse > engineering outside of North America where the patents > and DMCA don't apply. > > -- Joe > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > _______________________________________________ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users