Ha ha, I know what you mean on both accounts.... I guess I sometimes hold the
file tight and sometimes very loosely, guess I would have to pay attention. I
do always refine the shape and surface with a hand file after I have done the
majority with the e-file. Which I may add that I had to teach myself how to
use, never have seen it used in person, but I did watch tutorials online and
practiced on myself for a while before ever using on a client. We have no
education opportunities anywhere close here. But I am confident that I from
learning from all you greats here online that I am doing the right thing.
Hey does anyone out there know where I can get a sciver or scriber bit, not
sure how it is pronounced. Loni in Vegas used one on me when she did my nails
and it was awesome
worked wonders.
Oh and the death grip on clients fingers, definitely know what you mean.
Somedays mine just cramps up so bad, depends on the client. Some let me have
their fingers and some don't. Oh and how 'bout them that want you to
practically come across the table to do their nails on their side, and sit way
back from the table. OMG those ones kill me. I feel like putting up a board
in between client and table, have them put their hands through the holes and
let me have them for an hour or so, not letting them look at anything.
Shannon
Maureen Solan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hey Shannon,
There is a way to hold that file. First of all, most of the tech that I
watch work have a death grip on the file. Holding anything too tight will
cause stress in your hand. Also, the file does the work. I use a wider file
right noe the ENTITY refiner. That file is the only one I use. It is flexible
enough to let me press alittle harder (if I need to ) I dont build up heat and
I can get in tight corners. Next when I am filing, you can pull the file out
of my hand. You also have to use your arm. Put a little swing in your step.
Do you know what I mean?
Now, dont you dare ask me about the thumb on my left hand from the death grip
I use to keep the client from wiggling away from me.
Maureen
--- On Thu, 10/23/08, shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: NailTech:: Re: Hand filing
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 7:36 AM
I orginally only switched to an e-file to save my hands. I have worked with
my hands my whole life, doing some physical work as well as repetitive work,
so I needed to switch to save my hands from further problems as long as I can.
I too was very fast at hand filing, but I also did have some lifting issues,
they did get better with time though. I do like the control I had with hand
filing. But I am also gaining better control with the e-file the more I use
it. How in the world have your hands held up with 31 years of hand filing? I
am amazed at that. Just maybe some of us have better luck with no physical
damage over time. But I have found that using an e-file I have way less
lifting issues, and I have gotten way faster, still can't get a fill down in
less than 45- 50 minutes, but that will also come with time. And if I could
get my clients to not "HELP" me, they stiffen up, turn their hands or
fingers, look at what I am doing pulling their fingers
towards up towards them, and so on, I could be a lot faster. Anyway I got
off track here, like I often do. I think it is awesome that you can still keep
on going without having to use an e-file.
Shannon A.
Maureen Solan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well, with the possibility of really getting my head chewed off---I
have been doing nails for 31 years and I have never used an e-file and I can do
a full set and a fill in probably the same time and maybe faster than the techs
using the e-file. Now I'm not saying that to show off so PLEASE dont judge me.
I learned with a file and I am more comfortable with a Hand file. I never
have rings of fire. I have better control. I just like it better.
Maureen
--- On Wed, 10/22/08, Vito Hotmail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Vito Hotmail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: NailTech:: Re: Hand filing
To: [email protected]
Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 3:58 PM
#yiv2044422899 #yiv1708196012 DIV {MARGIN:0px;} Hi ...
i not starting any trouble, but i have a question... you said you graduated
in feb... and passed the board in march... how is that possible? after you
grad dont you have to send your paper work in and doesnt that take weeks to get
back and then to take the test doesnt that take weeks and then to get your
results back that should take weeks and then to schedule the board doesnt that
take weeks... or does your state do it different than New York?
vito..
just a question...
----- Original Message -----
From: Lisa Cianciotti
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 3:42 PM
Subject: NailTech:: Re: Hand filing
Elaine,
I have cuticle lifting when I use an e-file and not when I hand file.
Obviously, I am not doing something correctly. I also have talked to people
who refuse to go to a nail salons who use e-files, probably because of misuse,
I am sure. I don't want to be that tech that they are afraid to go to because
I use an e-file.
I graduated in Feb and passed boards in March. I have only worked one
place for 4 months. The only way I can work in this business is to open my own
salon at home. (I have 2 school-aged boys and run my husband's HVAC business).
I have so many more things to learn! I had a terrible school experience!!
Lisa
----- Original Message ----
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:51:31 PM
Subject: NailTech:: Re: Hand filing
Lisa,
First, I was just curious as to why you would want to switch back from e-filing
to hand filing. Mostly just curious as an educator :)
Second....and I BEG ALL OF YOU.....do not work over wet primer. I don't care
if the Pope told you to do it. Primer is most often times "methacrylic acid".
If you have ever spilled your primer on yourself, you likely have a little burn
scar to prove the strength of this acid.
Acid needs to evaporate to dry. If you apply a fresh wet coat and go right
over it with your product...you've prevented it from drying through
evaporation. The only choice is has is product absorption and NAIL absorption.
Every chemist (not tech...chemist) I have ever had this conversation
with...cringes at the miss use of this product. A really good product should
not need wet primer to hold on to the nail.
Primer...when used correctly, is used sparingly. It is basically needed to
change the PH of your nail and kill any last living thing on the nail that
could have contaminated it.
I'm on hands and knees begging...for the health of your clients
nails....please...stop using wet primer with application (if you are doing it).
Beggggggggggging.
:) Elaine
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:09 AM, Lisa Cianciotti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I am considering going to all hand filing over using an e-file. Does
anyone here do all hand filing, if so, how do you do your rebalance without
using a drill? Also, when you put on primer do you let it dry or do you apply
your product while the primer is still wet? I have a TT video and she put on 2
coats of primer. She lets the first one dry, then does a second coat, but
applies the product while the 2nd coat is still wet. What is the best way?
Thanks!
Lisa Cianciotti - PA
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Elaine T. Watson
Star Nail International
Vice President of Marketing and Sales
Global Education Director
800.782.7624 extension 321
fax 661.257.5847
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Blog: itsnotarealjob.blogspot.com
Shannon Arnold
Flip Flop Beauty Shop
Coopers Plains, NY
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