I though y'all might want a heads up to Dean Anderson's latest initiative. Although his investigation, at present, is focused on ARIN, it might spread to NANOG, MERIT, etc.
For more details go here http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-discuss/2007-December/author.html and read the three messages by Dean, especially the one posted at 6:20. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dean Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 01 January 2008 19:41 > To: Dillon,M,Michael,DMK R > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Status of Investigations > > [ARIN agrees that discussion to recall Board members, to > conduct investigations of ARIN expenditures, and to stop > certain ARIN expenditures does not violate the ARIN AUP.] > > On Sun, 30 Dec 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > 2. Truth is an absolute defense to claims of libel. > > > > Not here it isn't! You have to go to a court of law in order to use > > the "truth" defense. > > You have to go to court to hold someone accountable for libel. > > > On this list, if you constantly annoy us then we don't have to pay > > attention to you any more or read any of your messages. > > On this list, ARIN is subject to US Law governing > corporations, and other US laws; There are laws governing > what corporations can do, and corporations cannot prevent > members from investigating the activities of a membership > corporation. Of course, as a member, you are free to read or > not read anything you wish. You are also free to vote anyway > you wish. > > > > Question: Why is ARIN paying to have the rest of these > people learn > > > to configure BGP and configure spam filters, and other technical > > > network operation tasks? This seems to be recoverable. > > > > Question: If you haven't even got the faintest clue of what > NANOG is > > and what kind of things are discussed at NANOG, then why are you > > wasting our time with this nonsense? > > Well, I have recently analyzed attendence at NANOG over the > last 10+ years. I have read the NANOG list for over 10 years, > and participated at times. I have worked in this industry for > 20 years. I have some idea of what NANOG does and what NANOG > doesn't do. But the best evidence is > objective: Let's see what NANOG says about itself: > > From NANOG's charter: > > "The purpose of NANOG is to provide forums in the North American > region for education and the sharing of knowledge for the > Internet operations > community. > > NANOG is a small venue in which technical matters > pertaining to network > operations and network technology deployment in Internet > providers may > be discussed among experts. " > > > In fact, examining the attendence records of NANOG I found that: > > 2 in 3 of the attendees dropped (never came back) after only 1 meeting > 4 in 5 dropped after only 2 meetings > 7 in 8 dropped after only 3 meetings > 9 in 10 dropped after only 4 meetings > > NANOG 41 was the first meeting attended by 145 attendees > (33% of total). Statistically, 100 or so will never return. > > NANOG 41 was attended by 79 people (18%) who had attended > more than 10 meetings. There are only 184 people in the world > who have attended more than 10 meetings. > > Indeed, the facts I found indicate that NANOG is essentially > a small club; if you are pals with about 184 or so core > members (those who have attended more than 10 meetings), you > come back repeatedly. Those who aren't, never come back. > > > > Contrast the NANOG charter with the jobs of these ARIN employees: > > 13|Ray Plzak Executive President & CEO > 17|Richard Jimmerson Executive Chief Information Officer > 2|Nate Davis Executive Chief Operations Officer > 1|Therese Colosi Human Resources Executive Assistant > 1|Ray Stark Engineering Windows System Administrator > 1|Abram Thielke Engineering Software Engineer > 3|Tim Christensen Engineering System Architect > 1|Matt Rowley Engineering Unix Systems Administrator > 2|Ming Yan Engineering Database Administrator > 7|Michael O'Neill Engineering Network Administrator > 2|Cathy Murphy Engineering Principal Software Engineer > 1|Darren Kara Engineering Database Administrator > 6|Matt Ryanczak Engineering Systems Operations Manager > 20|Leslie Nobile Registration Services Director of > Registration Services > 4|David Huberman Registration Services Technical Specialist > 1|Jon Worley Registration Services Senior Resource Analyst > 4|Cathy Clements Registration Services Principal > Resource Analyst > 4|Jason Byrne Member Services Membership Operations Manager > 6|Susan Hamlin Member Services Director of Member Services > 4|Einar Bohlin Member Services Policy Analyst > 2|Erin Centanni Member Services Meeting Planner > 2|Erika Goedrich Member Services Membership Coordinator > > > What do all these people have to do with network operations > or subjects of NANOG? Only one is a network administrator. > > 22 ARIN employees (almost half the company!) have been > attending NANOG. > Even the HR Executive Assistant has attended NANOG? This is > improper expenditure of ARIN funds. > > 6 of 7 ARIN Board members are participant beneficiaries of > NANOG, and so have a conflict of interest. The 7th (Scott > Bradner) is a 3-time speaker and has not disclosed whether he > was compensated for the speakerships. > > In contrast, ARIN counts about 2900 members, mostly > corporations, which aren't represented by NANOG. Yet 3 of the > 184 NANOG core members work for ARIN. 5 of the ARIN board > members are in that 184 people. The advisory council is > similarly over-represented by frequent NANOG particants. I > think it is curious that ARIN should be so infiltrated by one > small group. But it is improper for ARIN to be making unusual > financial transfers to NANOG with undisclosed conflicts of > interest. A significant part of NANOG's funding comes from ARIN. > > > > I have a message from a frequent NANOG attendee (13 meetings) who > > > says that a recent IP Address Allocation was done in a few hours, > > > start to finish. This seems quite odd, and contrary to what most > > > people experience. Furthermore, it seems impossible to fully and > > > properly evaluate an IP Address Block request in so short a time. > > > > I have also had at least one IP address allocationthat was > done in a > > few hours but I have had others, with the same company, > that dragged > > on for months. The one time that we got it done in a few hours was > > also the time that we submitted a full set of data to backup the > > request including some charts and graphs and a full dump of our > > reassignment data down to the /32 level. > > Also, by that time we had established a reasonable reputation with > > ARIN over the course of 4 or 5 allocation requests. > > Good to know. I note also that you have attended 5 NANOG > meetings, and remain a frequent participant in NANOG. > > > P.S. by now everyone knows where to contact you if they > wish to join > > in your legal actions against the ARIN board. Please do not post > > anything further to the ARIN mailing lists about this. > > If you mean action under the the bylaws to recall a board > member, this is the proper forum to discuss that subject. > The bylaws do not permit ARIN to place such restrictions. In > anycase, you do not speak for ARIN. > > > -- > Av8 Internet Prepared to pay a premium for better service? > www.av8.net faster, more reliable, better service > 617 344 9000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org http://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
