Here is an illustration I use to illustrate the internal “receive path” the 
control, management, and signal planes take. Note the risk. It is very easy to 
hit a router/switch control/management plane. You do not need to flood the link 
to overload the control plane. 



> On Aug 4, 2025, at 06:14, Ryan Hamel via NANOG <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Tom,
> 
> I 100% agree with this, thank you for going into greater detail on that.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Ryan Hamel
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Tom Beecher <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> Sent: Sunday, August 3, 2025 6:39 AM
> To: Ryan Hamel <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> Cc: North American Network Operators Group <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>>; Mel Beckman <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>>
> Subject: Re: Cisco ASR9902 SNMP polling ... is interesting
> 
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> The control plane receives 100% of the packets, providing the control plane 
> policies allow it to. The control plane is likely connected to the ASIC via a 
> mix of a PCI-E interface (providing the programming interface and an emulated 
> NIC) and/or a specialized NIC port.
> 
> Different vendors and platforms do this differently, but generally the 
> forwarding complex element has two egress paths ; one goes to the device 
> fabric used for through traffic, the other goes to the control plane.  
> Packets that egress to the fabric are usually chopped up into cells that are 
> reassembled at the forwarding complex connected to the outbound interface.
> 
> The control plane connection is usually just a standard ethernet to an 
> internal control plane switch. The forwarding complex wraps up the packet and 
> transmits it that direction, and it's passed over to the RP/RE that way. 
> There is internal policing here to prevent elements from running the CP over. 
> Some of those are user configurable, others are not. ( Vendor dependent.)
> 
> When you say 'the control plane receives 100% of the packets', it sort of 
> depends on what you define as the 'control plane'. That's usually defined as 
> 'did the packet get to the RE/RP to process it' There are many scenarios by 
> which this can break :
> 
>  *   Interface buffers may be full
>  *   Interface buffers may be drained fast enough
>  *   Oversubscription of forwarding complex
>  *   Poorly designed QoS
>  *   Incorrect config/bugs of control plane policer on internal interface to 
> CP switch
>  *   Central CPU (RE, RP, etc) overwhelmed
>  *   Internal CP switch manfunctioning
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2025 at 12:35 AM Ryan Hamel <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> Mel,
> 
> The control plane receives 100% of the packets, providing the control plane 
> policies allow it to. The control plane is likely connected to the ASIC via a 
> mix of a PCI-E interface (providing the programming interface and an emulated 
> NIC) and/or a specialized NIC port. If the CPU port is experiencing packet 
> loss (my stance is very unlikely), that can be a separate discussion. I agree 
> that an escalation is the appropriate response here, where TAC should try to 
> reproduce the issue with Drew's config.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Ryan Hamel
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Mel Beckman via NANOG <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>>
> Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2025 4:23 PM
> To: Tom Beecher <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>>
> Cc: [email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> 
> <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>>; Mel Beckman 
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>>
> Subject: Re: Cisco ASR9902 SNMP polling ... is interesting
> 
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> 
> I’ll just let the incivility of you both stand.
> 
> -mel
> 
> On Aug 2, 2025, at 3:52 PM, Tom Beecher <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> 
> 
> Mel-
> 
> Saku did not call *you* any names. He called your *incorrect statements* in 
> this thread 'bizzard drivel'. Which he is absolutely correct about. While 
> your intentions may certainly have been to help, your statements here have 
> been frankly dead wrong and did not accomplish that.
> 
> Probably just want to take the L here.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Aug 2, 2025 at 5:34 PM Mel Beckman via NANOG <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>>
>  wrote:
> Saku,
> 
> What is actually appalling is that a member of NANOG calls “bizarre drivel” 
> the honest and sincere attempts by other members to help identify the 
> possible problem. There’s no cause to be uncivil, people can disagree without 
> stooping to name-calling.
> 
> -mel
> 
>> On Aug 2, 2025, at 11:46 AM, Saku Ytti via NANOG <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>>
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On Sat, 2 Aug 2025 at 21:02, Tom Beecher via NANOG
>> <[email protected] 
>> <mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>>
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't have in depth knowledge of Cisco's SNMP implementations, or even
>>> the ASR platform specifically, but if Cisco TAC is telling you this is
>>> 'normal', they are completely full of shit, and you should click any and
>>> every 'escalate' button you can find.
>>> 
>>> This almost sounds like a default control plane DDOS policer / LPTS ,
>>> something like that.
>> 
>> There are various complicated reasons for this, LPTS policer is
>> unlikely culprit, but possible. Bug search will show various DDTS with
>> poor SNMP performance outcome, most of them are unrelated to LPTS.
>> 
>> But absolutely correct, the right solution is to escalate. In common
>> case this would be SE from your account team, who would fight for you
>> internally.
>> 
>> 
>> It is appalling that OP came to nanog after correctly suspecting TAC
>> is gaslighting them, some community member piled on with what can only
>> be described as a bizarre drivel.
>> --
>> ++ytti
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