There are many hash functions for many needs with very different design goals over several unrelated metrics.There are intentionally slow hashes for PW secrets, MD5 and SHA-2 are not such.
I do not accept the argument that MD5 or SHA-2 is a meaningful contributor when we discuss RTT latencies of network equipment anywhere. Even if we would accept someone uses SHA2 for ISIS and that contributes 5ms to the convergence budget, it would be largely meaningless, as we don't really care about initial convergence time, and after initial convergence we can convergence for any single fault prior to it happening, so no work needs to be done at the RE to forward around the fault at the time it happens. On Fri, 5 Sept 2025 at 10:22, Vasilenko Eduard via NANOG <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi all, > So many smart people are in the discussion about MD5 ... > I have a temptation to ask: why hash in the first place?!? (does not matter > MD5 or SHA-2) > Any hash MUST be slow (by design) to withstand brute force. In the network > device case, it is about 5ms for SHA-2 (of course, dependent on the control > plane processor). > It should be checked on every hop for routing event propagation. Hence, it > creates a delay for the event propagation that is typically much higher than > RTT. When "Packet Design" was alive, they measured 300ms cross-US. A decade > later, it should be faster, but anyway slow enough. > It is a big part (maybe even the biggest) of the "sub-second" convergence of > IGP protocols. > Actually, it greatly undermines the value of ISIS IETF performance tunings: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc9681. > > Why do people not use symmetric encryption for networking protocols? > Symmetric encryption has a typical latency of 10s of microseconds. > > Of course, it is possible to calculate how much energy would be saved on hash > calculations worldwide, but people in this group would probably not welcome a > green agenda. > And this number would be miserable against bitcoin. > Eduard > _______________________________________________ > NANOG mailing list > https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/Y677XAJS5DHSXHUZ2DKTXUUN6ESWVVTC/ -- ++ytti _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/47CLP24IJTHDCPC7PTF3EYCGAJ43S57S/
