Saku, NANOG-ers, > On 23 Dec 2025, at 20:04, Saku Ytti via NANOG <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Dec 2025 at 21:01, Phil Bedard <[email protected]> wrote: > >> From a Cisco perspective when we built the first 8000 (Silicon One) routers, >> the original 8201/8202 had a separate Baseboard Management Controller (BMC) >> the same as a server because we thought people would truly enjoy having >> that. In turns out no one used it and more were confused by it. It added >> extra cost and took up real estate that could be used for other things, so >> it didn’t continue. > > And I will apologise for all of us customers, we are wrong, you were > right with CMP, you were right with BMC. It is blind spot we have and > we need education.
I'm pretty sure you're half-joking and half-not, but that's the reality. I lead platform (hardware) development for Cisco Firewalls. I can tell you, that during my discussions with all of our Customers, from biggest to smallest ones, security folks don't appreciate fully dedicated, separate out-of-band management ports, with their own OS that's available no-matter-what. I've been through hundreds of discussions, and everybody says "nah" (and I don't even go into cost or whatever - just "availability"). I very much like your comment, and I'll use it, but that's reality folks - you vote with your wallets, and it seems that's not really as critical for management as you'd (and I'd) think. And even *I* have LTE access to my own rack(s), including console ports. And I'm just toying with all the fancy and less fancy gear... 2005? Hell - more like 1995... -- Łukasz Bromirski _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/[email protected]/message/7E53W37WDUE5EXBV6LTCQ2TWMOCM5VAG/
