After 3 Denial of Service attacks in the last 4 days, I'm beginning to wonder if there 
should be a standardization of some sort of abuse departments.  Or perhaps if there 
are some companys that should REALLY THINK (TM) about perhaps installing some.  When 
my domain is under attack by yours, that means you've done something WRONG, and you 
need to take care of it, the same as I would if mine is under attack.  How it's even 
concievable that you can operate without someone that has the authority to act on 
abuse 24/7 from your AS number's Org-Abuse is inconceivable.

Quite frankly the FBI cares not at all about Denial of Service attacks, because if 
they did such attacks wouldn't happen.  If I try to break into and cease the abusive 
actions of these hosts, I am myself committing a felony to defend my site from attack. 
 They however don't have someone on hand to stop the attacks and quite honestly the 
damage of not having a connection to the internet isn't expressable simply in monatary 
loss.  Real change needs to happen as far as accountability across the internet.  If 
everyone's going to run windows and kiddies are going to have packetnets that extend 
to millions of hosts, then someone needs to be on call at large consumer ISP's to yank 
cords when their customers boxes get compromised, the next ISP that tells me "we'll 
have someone call you about that tomorrow is going to get listed on nanog, and CC'd to 
an ISP hall of shame somewhere of my own making.  Please, please impart clue on your 
abuse department.  Allowing hosts in your domain to participate in DoS attacks is 
WRONG.

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Andrew D Kirch  |           [EMAIL PROTECTED]            | 
Security Admin  |  Summit Open Source Development Group  | www.sosdg.org


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