> Kuhtz, Christian wrote:
> > Seems several commercial clients (such as Cisco's VPN client) offer 
> > workaround for that (tunneling IPSEC in a TCP session).  
> Works great.
> Yup. there are various proprietary solutions that require us 
> to trash out an expensive and *working* VPN-1 solution, buy 
> an equally expensive and unfamilar solution, and retrain our 
> salesforce in the use of the new software - just to work 
> around NAT. Nice, isn't it?

It is.

And you can continue daydreaming and believe NAT will go away if you
continue to whine about it.  

Or you can accept that it exists and deal with it because you got a business
to run and don't have the luxury of jumping on one foot until IPv6 is
everywhere (and somebody has convinced the telco's that it's really
necessary to upgrade all their gear and the involved expense to support it
natively).  

And I bet then still somebody will build an IPv6 NAT box for some bizarro
reason.



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