>>> One could imagine changing the paradigm (never easy) so that >>> the normal Internet service was proxied for common applications >>> and NAT'ed for everything else... This wouldn't eliminate all the >>> problems, but would dramatically cut down the incident rate. >>> >>> If a site wants wide-open access, just give it to them. If that turns >>> out to cause operational problems (due to open mail proxies, spam >>> origination, etc), then put 'em back behind the relays. >> >>guilty until proven innocent, eh? thanks mr ashcroft. > > Randy, are you objecting to the model for initial connectivity, > or the throwing them back behind relays w/o a formal trial?
the former, see previous post about the e2e internet if you can actually diagnose bad traffic, then you may have a right to act randy