>>> One could imagine changing the paradigm (never easy) so that
>>> the normal Internet service was proxied for common applications
>>> and NAT'ed for everything else...  This wouldn't eliminate all the
>>> problems, but would dramatically cut down the incident rate.
>>>
>>> If a site wants wide-open access, just give it to them.  If that turns
>>> out to cause operational problems (due to open mail proxies, spam
>>> origination, etc), then put 'em back behind the relays.
>>
>>guilty until proven innocent, eh?  thanks mr ashcroft.
> 
> Randy, are you objecting to the model for initial connectivity,
> or the throwing them back behind relays w/o a formal trial?

the former, see previous post about the e2e internet

if you can actually diagnose bad traffic, then you may
have a right to act

randy

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