Maybe this all is just a result of different inefficient (IP Wise not $$ wise) network designs... like those that rely on upstream providers to provide a "virtual" backbone for a company because they design thier network to be discontiguous...
Thanks, Paul On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 08:21 -0500, Bruce Eastman wrote: > > Jon is right. Deaggregation is not a laughing matter. Its poor management > > at least from a netizens point of view.... > > > Well, the warning advisory in and of itself was meant to interject a little > humor, but the idea > was serious. ARIN submits an e-mail message to the customer, with each > allocation. > I think John's idea of adding a short paragraph and direction to a few links > was a very good > idea. I believe the message sent out with each allocation would be a good > place to add said > links and paragraph. > > Bruce Eastman > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Darte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Bruce Eastman '" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:32 PM > Subject: RE: [ppml] Deaggregation in the ARIN region Was: [nanog] The Cidr > Report > > > > Jon is right. Deaggregation is not a laughing matter. Its poor management > > at least from a netizens point of view.... > > > > Still, you advisory below is a hoot! I like it. > > > > Bill Darte > > > > > > Bruce Eastman said: > > > > > > Maybe ARIN should add a Warning label. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > WARNING - DANGER - READ THIS & HEED THIS! > > > > > > > > WARNING: THIS IS NOT A TOY. THIS IP IS DESIGNED FOR USE BY EXPERIENCED > > NETWORKING PERSONNEL AND IS INTENDED > > > > FOR USE BY AN EXPERT IN ROUTING. THESE IP'S ARE INTENDED FOR USE SOLELY > > BY > > SENIOR NETWORK ENGINEER TYPES > > > > ( WITH NECESSARY SAFETY EQUIPMENT ). NO OTHER USE IS INTENDED OR > > RECOMMENDED. ILLEGAL TO OWN, PURCHASE OR > > > > TRANSFER BY ANYONE OTHER THAN ARIN OR OUTSIDE THE TERMS AFOREMENTIONED. > > MISUSE OR CARELESS USE MAY CAUSE > > > > SERIOUS ROUTING DEAGGREGATION. READ OWNERS MANUAL BEFORE USING. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bruce Eastman > > Senior IP Analyst > > Adelphia Communications > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jon Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Andrew Dul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 1:12 PM > > Subject: Re: [ppml] Deaggregation in the ARIN region Was: [nanog] The > > Cidr > > Report > > > > > > > On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, Andrew Dul wrote: > > > > > > > I was wondering if people in the ARIN region agreed with these > > statements > > > > about the ARIN region not doing enough to educate the membership > > about > > > > deaggregation, BGP annoucements etc... > > > > > > > > If ARIN were to do more what would you suggest? > > > > > > > > 1. More/Better online training > > > > 2. Regional Training session (similar to RIPE?) > > > > > > Whether or not ARIN actually did any training courses, it would be > > nice to > > > see some info on BCPs for BGP routing in the training section of the > > ARIN > > > web site rather than just "how to use whois" and "how to jump through > > the > > > hoops to get IP space". > > > > > > Too many networks deaggregate their announcements for no reason simply > > > because they don't realize there's any reason they shouldn't. > > > > > > Covering things like route filtering (i.e. not leaking provider A's > > routes > > > to provider B) would be nice. Might even mention the use of routing > > > registries (radb, altdb, ARIN's own one, etc.). > > > > > > To make a bad analogy, right now, ARIN's like a gun shop selling guns > > with > > > no manuals and no safety literature. Not everyone who's buying knows > > how > > > to use them safely. > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Jon Lewis | I route > > > Senior Network Engineer | therefore you are > > > Atlantic Net | > > > _________ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_________ > >