On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Daniel Senie wrote:
> > At 10:06 AM 3/24/2005, Jon Lewis wrote: > > >On Thu, 24 Mar 2005, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > > In any case, it is not important how the message > > > > gets communicated to ARIN. What is important is for > > > > network operators to *TELL* ARIN what they need ARIN > > > > > > is arin the problem here? or are 'lazy'/'dumb'/'mistaken'/'poorly > > > informed' admins the problem? > > > >Lazy/misguided/ex admins / downsized networks are the problem. ARIN is in > >a unique position to be able to do something to at least try to mitigate > >the problem without too much effort before handing "damaged IP space" out > >to members. The current situation frustrates those who don't know what to > >do, and encourages them to look elsewhere for the IP space they need. > > I think it's important to remember the "lazy/dumb/mistaken/poorly informed" > folk alluded to above are NOT the ones receiving IP address space, but > people elsewhere in (and all over) the world. of course, I should have been more clear, sorry :) > > The idea of ARIN temporarily lighting address space in any new block, and > providing a test target is reasonable, relatively inexpensive and sensible. this requires the above lazy/dumb/mistaken/poorly-informed masses to want to hit the targets as well, eh? :( > > Paying members of ARIN are today negativelty impacted by receiving > assignments that remain in filters. It clearly makes little sense for those > receiving address space to each have to expend significant time and effort > to turn the address space into usable space. As such, the paying customers > & members should consider requesting this be a function that could be best > handled centrally by ARIN. I think I'm unclear how having arin/ripe/apnic/iana/god put up pingable/http-able/ftp-able ips from 'new' blocks is going to help, when the problem is at the far-end, and the 'user' or 'admin' there is one of the: "lazy/dumb/mistaken/poorly-informed" who already doesn't care enough to keep their filters up to date. Additionally, there is still the distinction between firewall/acl blocks and 'route filter' blocks. They may have the same effect in the end, but the target for who might have to repair that problem is likely different. -Chris