> > there is no hope in having operators explain to ietf that the current 
path
> > is fruitless? certainly they can be made to see the light, yes?
> 
> you have not spent much time with the ivtf, have you?

In case you have never heard of the IVTF, Randy eloquently
summarizes it here:
https://rip.psg.com/~randy/050721.ccr-ivtf.html

--Michael Dillon

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