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- -- "Scott Weeks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>We need to take this off-line.  All long timers are groaning, rolling
>their eyes and putting this in their kill file.  
>
>Try convincing your product managers to create a new product just to
>appease 'sysadmin types'.  
>

Or perhaps engage the discussion on a security-related mailing
list.

A couple of suggestions:

The DShield list:
http://lists.dshield.org/mailman/listinfo/list

Funsec:
https://linuxbox.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/funsec

- - ferg

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"Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson
 Engineering Architecture for the Internet
 fergdawg(at)netzero.net
 ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/


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